The US Election.

“How Donald Trump is laying the groundwork to dispute the election results – again”

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/03/politics/donald-trump-disputing-election-results/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

Lower down I the article “Elon Musk’s misinformation machine” is interesting.

Also “Baseless claims of rampant non-citizen voting”

Fears of another attempt to challenge the result” in here

“Since the chaos in the aftermath of the 2020 election, officials have spent the past four years preparing both for increased threats of violence and efforts to block the certification of a legitimate election result.

Election officials have been inundated with threats of violence since the 2020 election.
They’ve responded in 2024 by stepping up efforts to protect polling places and their workers on Election Day, including with bulletproof glass, wearable panic buttons and open lines of communication with local law enforcement.

Last month, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security warned that “election-related grievances” could motivate domestic extremists to engage in violence before and after the November election.

Ballots and drop boxes have been targeted already. Authorities are investigating fires at ballot boxes in Portland, Oregon, and Vancouver, Washington, where hundreds of ballots were destroyed or damaged.”

“The “Stop the Steal” movement has already reemerged before Election Day, and many of those activists have been telling their supporters that the only way Trump can lose in 2024 is through fraud.”

David49

“Which is the point. Without people, no millionaire, billionaire or trillionaire can make his fortune or shape the future. Those people who work for him or his industries or offshoots along with the rest of society have a right to say how they are governed - or are you suggesting that as he is the richest man on the planet, the future should be decided solely by him?”

Without wealth creation we would all live in caves and wear animal skins, human enterprise has provided us with the lifestyle we have today, it may not be perfect but it’s a whole lot better than living in a mud hut or cave and hunting your own food.

Without wealth creation we would all live in caves and wear animal skins, human enterprise has provided us with the lifestyle we have today, it may not be perfect but it’s a whole lot better than living in a mud hut or cave and hunting your own food.

And, basically - forgetting Musk for a moment - these wealth-creators would be left sitting staring at their raw materials if it wasn't for the brawn and brains of the people they employed.

In 1967, Sweden changed from driving on the left to the right in order to be more in line with the rest of Europe. Vehicles had to have their left-hand-traffic headlamps replaced, which was expensive.

My (Swedish) partner who is mechanically-minded devised an inexpensive way to alter the beam without replacing the units, and set up an (approved) business doing just that. He made some money, but not enough to be classed as one of the 'wealthy'.

My point in illustrating this is that I don't think he's unique- I believe there are many intelligent people, and always have been, who enjoy using their skills and who are clever - so I really don't believe we'd still be living in caves if it wasn't for the wealth-creators. I believe we evolve and find ways to improve our lives; simplify onerous tasks, make life easier. It's part of our human nature. I don't accept your still living in caves argument.

MaizieD I may have missed something ipthread but I thought they had put things in place???
Ami wrong?

But what rights does that give him to try to "buy" elections, and use his own social media platform to push his own political agenda? Interfere in other countries political affairs?

“Which is the point. Without people, no millionaire, billionaire or trillionaire can make his fortune or shape the future. Those people who work for him or his industries or offshoots along with the rest of society have a right to say how they are governed - or are you suggesting that as he is the richest man on the planet, the future should be decided solely by him?”

Without wealth creation we would all live in caves and wear animal skins, human enterprise has provided us with the lifestyle we have today, it may not be perfect but it’s a whole lot better than living in a mud hut or cave and hunting your own food.

With great power comes great responsibility, and I don't think the sight of the richest man in the world pouring millions and and millions into an extremely violent and possibly unbalanced presidential candidate to further his own continuing gain "using worth creatively".

David49

Musk is the richest person on the planet, his rockets are sent to the moon, he is a genius far in excess of any fictional Bond villain ever was.

I don’t know how many jobs he creates, he certainly uses his wealth creatively, love him or loathe him the US would be poorer without him.

... but no-one is denying his genius.

Being the richest man on the planet does not make him omniscient.

He is shaping the future, a future governed by AI - an -inter-planetary civilisation - it has made him extremely wealthy.

... and he cannot help but use his wealth 'creatively' - to make his ideas and innovations a reality, people have to be employed.

Which is the point. Without people, no millionaire, billionaire or trillionaire can make his fortune or shape the future. Those people who work for him or his industries or offshoots along with the rest of society have a right to say how they are governed - or are you suggesting that as he is the richest man on the planet, the future should be decided solely by him?

I loathe him (Musk), he may be the richest person in the US which gives him power but IMO he doesn't use that power in a way that is good for his fellow man and woman. There is a huge mismatch between his intellectual capacity and emotional intelligence, which is very sad, just imagine how incredible he could be but he's just another very rich white man throwing his weight around and his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his way.

Babs03

David49

Musk is the richest person on the planet, his rockets are sent to the moon, he is a genius far in excess of any fictional Bond villain ever was.

I don’t know how many jobs he creates, he certainly uses his wealth creatively, love him or loathe him the US would be poorer without him.

Well nice to know there is a gain somewhere when he is certainly a loss to humanity.

If only we could make emotion and humanity pay the bills.

David49

Musk is the richest person on the planet, his rockets are sent to the moon, he is a genius far in excess of any fictional Bond villain ever was.

I don’t know how many jobs he creates, he certainly uses his wealth creatively, love him or loathe him the US would be poorer without him.

Well nice to know there is a gain somewhere when he is certainly a loss to humanity.

Iam64

Babs03 spot on about Elon Musk. He could be a convincing Bond villain

Whitewave and Dickens keep posting please. Trump is indeed dangerous

I hadn’t thought about it before, but your Bond villain comment is spot on - I think the plastic surgery has made his face look a bit other worldly too, so he would be perfect.

Musk is the richest person on the planet, his rockets are sent to the moon, he is a genius far in excess of any fictional Bond villain ever was.

I don’t know how many jobs he creates, he certainly uses his wealth creatively, love him or loathe him the US would be poorer without him.

I would propose that Harris is unfit to be President if she and the current administration had no plans and had made no preparation to counter any insurgency which will might arise should Trump lose. Not only that, but twitter is well aware of the legal shenanigans planned by the Republicans should Trump lose, so the Democrats must surely be equally aware and prepared?

Failure to prepare would look grossly incompetent to me.

Babs03 spot on about Elon Musk. He could be a convincing Bond villain

Whitewave and Dickens keep posting please. Trump is indeed dangerous

Babs03

Elon Musk could be a genius, but who cares, the man is an out and out racist and sexist who is backing another out and out racist and sexist for president.
Enoch Powell was a very intelligent man.
The thing is a human being needs more than just intelligence to be a positive force for good in society.

The thing is a human being needs more than just intelligence to be a positive force for good in society.

Couldn't have said it better (and didn't!).

The group who lead and took part in the January Insurrection are known as (amongst other things) as The Proud Boys. The colours they wear are yellow and black. Trumps mantra throughout this campaign is “fight,fight,fight”

There is evidence that this group is preparing for the result if Trump looses.

It is no coincidence that Trump has been wearing black and yellow.

Elon Musk could be a genius, but who cares, the man is an out and out racist and sexist who is backing another out and out racist and sexist for president.
Enoch Powell was a very intelligent man.
The thing is a human being needs more than just intelligence to be a positive force for good in society.

Mt61

Dinahmo

I think that Trump is deliberately inarticulate- it's the way in which the majority of his followers speak and so they think he is just like them.

As regards the polls, apparently the Republican pollsters are claiming large numbers in support of Trump so that when Harris wins, they can claim it was a fix.

The Republicans are still demanding the correct figures to be revealed concerning the last election. They just won't accept the info concerning the results.

I assume you mean people like Elon Musk who’s probably one of the smartest men on this planet and who I’m sure understands American politics far better than anyone on here. And as for not accepting the results of the elections you seem to be overlooking all Hilary Clinton’s claims about the election she lost.

Musk is undoubtedly smart with a very high IQ - he was already coding at age 12. I don't think anyone would question that. He is a genius.

But that doesn't mean that everything he turns his hand to is successful - Einstein, who had an even higher IQ, had his failures.

He's a also a human being, and like all human beings, is not infallible. And politics is politics; Musk might well know the detail of American politics, but that does not make him politically savvy - just because he's smart at what he does it doesn't mean he's a political expert. He's governed like most people by his ideology.

If he was a philanthropist and leaned leftwards towards social equality - would you still admire him so much? I think you like him because his world view chimes with yours, and you're using his unquestionable talent to make it appear that he must be right - because he's clever.

Einstein was also very very clever - but, he also had a dark side.

Mt61

Dinahmo

I think that Trump is deliberately inarticulate- it's the way in which the majority of his followers speak and so they think he is just like them.

As regards the polls, apparently the Republican pollsters are claiming large numbers in support of Trump so that when Harris wins, they can claim it was a fix.

The Republicans are still demanding the correct figures to be revealed concerning the last election. They just won't accept the info concerning the results.

I assume you mean people like Elon Musk who’s probably one of the smartest men on this planet and who I’m sure understands American politics far better than anyone on here. And as for not accepting the results of the elections you seem to be overlooking all Hilary Clinton’s claims about the election she lost.

Hilary accepted the election results and the inauguration in 2016. Remember she got more actual votes but lost under the electoral college system.

In 2017 there was quite a lot of speculation about Russian influence in 2016 which Clinton demanded be examined. Came to nothing in the end. This is is an account of it.
It really doesn't not compare in anyway to what Trump was up to in 2020 and planning now.
edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html

Dickens

He's illiterate, egotistic, emotionally immature - with a God-complex.

And he's a destructive force for the USA.

There must be sane Republicans - why aren't they calling him out? Why are they prepared to overlook his incoherent ramblings?

... that's the really frightening part.

Over 40 of his former advisers have called him out and pointed out how dangerous he could be if re-elected.

x.com/AntiquarianMuse/status/1853070980878352810

...and WHY is he obsessed with crowd sizes

Dinahmo

I think that Trump is deliberately inarticulate- it's the way in which the majority of his followers speak and so they think he is just like them.

As regards the polls, apparently the Republican pollsters are claiming large numbers in support of Trump so that when Harris wins, they can claim it was a fix.

The Republicans are still demanding the correct figures to be revealed concerning the last election. They just won't accept the info concerning the results.

I assume you mean people like Elon Musk who’s probably one of the smartest men on this planet and who I’m sure understands American politics far better than anyone on here. And as for not accepting the results of the elections you seem to be overlooking all Hilary Clinton’s claims about the election she lost.

@Dickens I imagine the Republican Party must be prepared to wave goodbye to even a nodding acquaintance with being a credible political party in order to back someone who might get in the White House. In a nutshell they are as bad as Trump.

He's illiterate, egotistic, emotionally immature - with a God-complex.

And he's a destructive force for the USA.

There must be sane Republicans - why aren't they calling him out? Why are they prepared to overlook his incoherent ramblings?

... that's the really frightening part.

The question is, is he the one who is completely off his trolley here or his countless supporters at his rallies who listen to his off the wall ramblings?
I mean what do they take away from what he has said?
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