The US Election.

There is no normal anymore Allsorts, is a complete circus politically over there, used to think the UK was bad enough but thank goodness we haven't become that bad....yet.
And yes Trump should have faced jail time years ago.

I just don't understand Americans at all now. Can’t believe what their normal is. Trump should be behind bars yet he has faithful supporters.

Babs03

Galaxy

No it is not what we have come to as has been explained over and over.

Ouch.
Will go to the back of the class then.

I'll join you there. Babs03. I haven't the faintest notion about what it is that's been explained over and over...

Galaxy

To be fair it has only been explained once on here but lots in another thread.
I am exasperated because I am watching Alistair Campbell of all people say this too. But that's not your fault

That's ok, anyone watching Alistair Campbell has a right to feel exasperated. Not my favourite person.
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I think that Trump is deliberately inarticulate- it's the way in which the majority of his followers speak and so they think he is just like them.

As regards the polls, apparently the Republican pollsters are claiming large numbers in support of Trump so that when Harris wins, they can claim it was a fix.

The Republicans are still demanding the correct figures to be revealed concerning the last election. They just won't accept the info concerning the results.

To be fair it has only been explained once on here but lots in another thread.
I am exasperated because I am watching Alistair Campbell of all people say this too. But that's not your fault

Galaxy

No it is not what we have come to as has been explained over and over.

Ouch.
Will go to the back of the class then.

No it is not what we have come to as has been explained over and over.

Correction - Is this really what we have come to?

Syracute

This is what it actually is a call for violence against Lynn Cheney . Trump is a dangerous man . I hope enough people remember his influence on the tragedy of January 6 .

6 people died when Trump supporters descended upon Capitol Hill. And yet the man still calls for violence from his supporters. And this is what was reported about Lynn Cheney

'Trump said during an onstage discussion with disgraced Fox News host Tucker Carlson that Cheney would not be a "war hawk" if "guns are trained on her face." He called her "a stupid person," “a bad person," and a “very dumb individual."

And this is a man who wants to be president of one of the biggest super powers in the world. He sounds like a bully in the playground. So if he loses the election again how many will die when his thugs are let loose again?
Is this what really what we have come to?

This is what it actually is a call for violence against Lynn Cheney . Trump is a dangerous man . I hope enough people remember his influence on the tragedy of January 6 .

Yes I read it. Their behaviour was unacceptable, there has to be standards that exists across all political persuasions. We cant just excuse 'our side'. It's why people go to Trump, Johnson, etc because trust in organisations is weakened by behaviour such as this. Same as pretending Biden was fine, it leads people to the likes ofTrump and leaves the middle of the road centrists such as myself unwilling to defend the Democrats, the left or whoever because in their world of goodies and baddies, they are abandoning the standards that I believe in.

Wyllow3

Twitter was wrong to do that, but Elon Musk is a very dangerous man as regards real actual violence. Disgusted to find him in the Telegraph, he is where he is by his wealth not as an elected politician or candidate.

Meanwhile -

"As women outpace men in early turnout, Trump’s challenge to win over female voters comes into focus"

It really is becoming an astounding major issue vote % wise. Here’s how it’s unfolding in the last few days.

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/trump-women-voters-gender-gap-harris/index.html

That's an interesting link, thanks.

I shared it with my OH (who has previously travelled extensively in the US and has always been interested in politics) and - given that he is now suffering cognitive impairment (early dementia) his response was quite interesting:

He said it would be ironic if the man who has vowed to protect women loses the presidency because of those women - because he doesn't understand that, among other issues, they want to be protected from men who think like him.

It took them 24 hours to change their policy from blocking to annotating.

You can be a nasty person and still do the right thing sometimes.

If you read down the page it says why, Galaxy - I never said you said they paid.

Twitter explained its controversial decision to block the Post article in the days leading up to the 2020 election by stating the story contained personal and private information that violated Twitter's policy against posting hacked material. Twitter reversed that decision in April 2021.

(From the article)

Oh I am sure there were . He was also very censorious towards gender critical feminists, so I suspect his sexism was just a different type to Musks.

Basically it was only withheld for a very short time and there were reasons for that:

apnews.com/article/business-media-social-media-censorship-ec529ef85c1e72cefe0ae9450e118b9c

I am not sure why you are posting that, I made no claim that the Democrats paid him.

Galaxy

The previous owner of Twitter (who I personally loathed just to be upfront) surpressed information that would have damaged the Democrats. This is what I mean about having standards whether it is our own 'side' or the opposition.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-tweet-jack-dorsey-democrats/

For info.

Galaxy

The previous owner of Twitter (who I personally loathed just to be upfront) surpressed information that would have damaged the Democrats. This is what I mean about having standards whether it is our own 'side' or the opposition.

I agree.

The difficulty for me on a personal level is that I share some sentiments with both Right and Left ideology - but not necessarily those individuals that represent them though.

I dislike Trump - to use your adjective, I loathe him - but still think it wrong and unethical to mis-represent what I believe he meant regarding Cheney. It was not a call to arms but a very clumsy way of saying that the "war-hawk" might feel differently if, like those she was willing to send to fight, she were in the firing line herself".

And, he has a point. Up to a point, anyway.

Twitter was wrong to do that, but Elon Musk is a very dangerous man as regards real actual violence. Disgusted to find him in the Telegraph, he is where he is by his wealth not as an elected politician or candidate.

Meanwhile -

"As women outpace men in early turnout, Trump’s challenge to win over female voters comes into focus"

It really is becoming an astounding major issue vote % wise. Here’s how it’s unfolding in the last few days.

edition.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/trump-women-voters-gender-gap-harris/index.html

The previous owner of Twitter (who I personally loathed just to be upfront) surpressed information that would have damaged the Democrats. This is what I mean about having standards whether it is our own 'side' or the opposition.

foxie48

Musk is now interfering in UK politics, regardless of how anyone feels about the agricultural land IHT decision, I strongly object to Musk's opinions being on the front page of the Telegraph.

Par for the course?

The Telegraph is also (yesterday) suggesting that the government is about to ditch Brexit, break-off our trade with the USA's 'dynamism' in favour of the EU's "sluggishness".

Politics is a dirty business isn't it? But I think it always has been.

As I see it, the larger the wealth inequality the more each interested party will 'diss' the other. Those with the wealth and the power are not going to relinquish either without a fight, and this is all part of that fight - political propaganda.

The problem is, that too many of those without either wealth or power, will believe the propaganda and against their own best interests, vote for those that promote it.

We are a very, very long way from a civilised and fair society.

foxie48

Musk is now interfering in UK politics, regardless of how anyone feels about the agricultural land IHT decision, I strongly object to Musk's opinions being on the front page of the Telegraph.

I thought the Torygraph couldn’t go down any lower in my estimation.
I was obviously wrong.
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Nmama

I see what you mean. But I suspect that to some of his followers--especially those who saw her principled participation in the Jan. 6 hearings--"Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?" might sound an awful lot like a suggestion or a challenge.

Oh, I quite agree. Trump's supporters are a mixed bag. Judging by some of the comments made on various social media sites plus the information we garner from the media, etc, it's quite clear that among them are those who view this nomination as a crusade; and they, the crusaders, are prepared to not only figuratively but physically fight to make sure their leader is elected. If he isn't, I don't think they will accept it as a democratic choice - not when they view the opponent as the enemy; which they are being encouraged to do.

Part of the problem (IMO) is that Trump is inarticulate. I'd go as far as saying that he is intellectually-challenged. His rhetoric - when describing people, both those he admires and those he dislikes - is juvenile. People are "good guys" - "he's a great guy, I know him well"; or they are "nasty", "dumb"... this is not the lexicon of a man who thinks deeply, thoughtfully or analytically - his thinking about his political friends or opponents is all in relation to him and his egotistical need to convince others that he is the arbiter of "good" and "bad" people, be they politicians, entertainers, journalists, or whoever. Anyone who criticises him is a "bad person" - he doesn't have the mental capacity to even consider whether their criticism is justified... they've criticised him, ergo they are bad. It's child-like, the observation that he is a man-child is correct. And I believe there are those among his supporters who think and feel in exactly the same way.

So, yes - I can see your point. Had this been a similar observation made by Harris - in the same clumsy manner - it would've been seized on and misrepresented by Trump and the Trumpers. So what do we do? Do we go down the same road, or do words, truth, facts, context matter?