The US Election.

This new emphasis on charisma - it can be quite a double edged sword, as in attracting cult status, people wanting to "believe".

In the dictionary charismatic is defined as "exercising a compelling charm which inspires devotion in others"

"relating to the charismatic movement in the Christian Church"

NotSpaghetti

David49

Listening to Harris it about as charismatic as listening to Starmer both are lawyers, neither are good orators.

This is largely true I feel.

I find neither riveting - but I'd rather capable and principled with an attention to detail than an entertainer!

Isn't this just the problem? Politicians are being judged on the wrong things. Charisma is a nice extra but it's not top of my list when it comes to electing a PM or POTUS or voting for my local MP.

David49

Listening to Harris it about as charismatic as listening to Starmer both are lawyers, neither are good orators.

This is largely true I feel.

I find neither riveting - but I'd rather capable and principled with an attention to detail than an entertainer!

Wyllow3

Sudden wave of fed upness with these ego driven men - Trump, Musk, now Rogan......

I like musk- straight talker, no BS

I don't think much of either, are they the only two in that huge country they can come up with? They put people on the moon but listen to Trump who is in my opinion nuts as are the people who listen to his tripe, so theres only the other one really. Uts going to be a rocky road ahead,

Its because we are divided across all metrics these days.

Listening to Harris it about as charismatic as listening to Starmer both are lawyers, neither are good orators.

I think a statistic I find both intriguing and worrying are the gender gaps voting for the candidates for younger people. Huge numbers for Harris from women, huge numbers of young men for Trump.

How different we are! I really like her speeches. She comes across was warm and "real" compared with Trump.

Sadly there aren’t any great politicians of the old days out there, on either side of the pond. Its dreary viewing to say the least

Just watched a few interviews of KH, she just talks in riddles, absolutely has me tied in knots trying to work out what she’s talking about-she makes no sense whatsoever 🙄

Bezos has commercial problems with the Washington Post. It's losing money badly and maybe its glory days as a mainstream print paper are coming to an end.

I think for Trump voters his negative factors are priced in, similar to the way Johnson's were priced in by the Tory faithful.

NotSpaghetti

FriedGreenTomatoes2 - some of us DO check links (and facts).
I wasted 3 hours of my time trying to see what "the other side" sees.
Even Joe tried again and again to bring Trump back to the point/question.
He is not an interesting listen (some other Republicans are/have been.
It took genuine stamina to listen to the end of his "weave" (3 hours)

I have to add, as a weaver - it felt more like a scramble/knotting.
Weaving actually requires lots of advanced planning and organising. It is not like spaghetti!

I have no idea why Kamala Harris didn't do the interview offered by Joe except that she is trying to hold both ends of her coalition together by "playing safe". However she is starting to go harder on Trump recently so I hope that doesn't backfire.

You deserve a medal for that. I can’t listen to his horrible voice for a minute, let alone three hours!

the racism was prominent, which may hurt him with Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania

I do hope so!
I know his team have been trying to distance him from it...

It's astonishing to me that he chose to have a rally at Madison Square Garden. It must have been a huge ego boost for him to be in his home town, and scads of people went to it--but Republicans don't do well at all in NYC and that's not likely to change as a result of his rally. Was there a great deal of benefit for him? It's unclear. The vulgarity was there, as usual, though I don't think he discussed the penis of a famous golfer this time, hooray, and the racism was prominent, which may hurt him with Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania.

I do wonder, though--apparently he called out to women who are always in the front row of his rallies--the same women time after time--but called their organization by the wrong name. (Ooops.) So, repeat attenders are part of the show. It does seem that many of his admirers have attended several rallies. (I don't think that's necessarily true of Harris's admirers, but then in the last 12 years she obviously hasn't had anywhere as many rallies as Trump has.) That might explain the phenomenon we've seen again and again, people streaming out of his rallies before he's done speaking: he tends to get on stage late, and if attenders have heard him speak repeatedly and it's getting late, perhaps they think "Well, we got here, but time's a-wastin' and I heard this before" and feel like it's okay to go? It does seem kind of insulting to him, however.

He did say it's not "off the cards" yet though.
🤞

Casdon

This is why - he wanted to call the tune.
www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-kamala-harris-interview-conditions-dispute-1976391

So it's about him not wanting to travel to her and her not wanting to travel to him?
Also he wants "more than an hour".

Seems a bit odd.
Why won't either of them travel?

I've listened to his Trump interview so what Trump says about it isn't really relevant...

That's good, if I was her I would have done Joe Rogan though.

Galaxy

The places she is doing interviews are waning in power. It's happened whilst the old style media have been 'sleeping'.

I understood she was being extremely successful with young women voters on Tik Tok?

Sadly I think you might be right, Galaxy and that will mean more polarisation of opinion as people get fed even more of the same views but increasingly extreme. It might also mean that politicians will try to be seen as entertaining and likeable rather than knowledgeable and competent. Where service to their country /constituents will come is anyone's guess. I find it all a bit depressing.

I mean that the media landscape has completely changed without most people noticing, I would say in a few years time most people wont be accessing news/politics from traditional media.

I’m not sure what you mean Galaxy? There are less voters undecided the nearer the election gets obviously, and she is campaigning directly in the key states. Should she flood social media with untruths to out-trump Trump?

The places she is doing interviews are waning in power. It's happened whilst the old style media have been 'sleeping'.

Sudden wave of fed upness with these ego driven men - Trump, Musk, now Rogan......