Should we really be doing this?

So, bringing foreigners in is fine if they're paid...

Seems a very odd thing to do but then Trump is very odd and dangerous.

I certainly would not be supporting a party with doddering demented genocide Joe. The poor sod can be heard shouting I scream or is it ice cream. I would support a third party where if they get more than 5% of the college votes they get access to funds. Anti Zionist parties for me which a large number of jews and arabs will be supporting.

I think they are helping out in about 4/5 states, each with numerous local democratic offices - I really cannot see how this is considered to be intrusive or indeed interference for this vast country.

100 is pretty en masse to me, depends on your definitions. Interference in another country’s electioneering is not on. The Americans should tell them, and Nigel Farage come to that, to butt out.

I’d never heard of Lynton Crosby either, so thanks for explaining Allira.

I’ve made my view clear. I’m neither influenced in my view by left or right. I simply believe that British politicians or activists of any political party, should be going to other countries trying to influence the outcome of their elections. Likewise I don’t want representatives of any other country trying to influence the outcome of our elections.

This particular event is not a storm in a teacup at all because Americans could easily believe that Labour Party activists represent our government, given that at the moment, we have a Labour government. This could be problematic for us in diplomatic negotiations. Particularly if (unfortunately) Trump becomes President.

It’s really not rocket science. An A Level Politics student could see the possibly of future difficulties with this situation. We have no idea what any Labour (or Conservative, Reform, or LibDem) Party activist might say or do which could embarrass our government whilst they’re over there. These people are not diplomats and one or more could be a loose cannon. We just don’t know.

en masse?

100 people?

Allira

Lynton Crosby is a political strategist and has been employed to manage election campaigns for parties (right of centre) in many countries. He's paid to do a job.

Rather different from a group of people deciding they will go en masse to another country to campaign for a certain candidate themselves.

This in a nutshell.

Lynton Crosby is a political strategist and has been employed to manage election campaigns for parties (right of centre) in many countries. He's paid to do a job.

Rather different from a group of people deciding they will go en masse to another country to campaign for a certain candidate themselves.

MaizieD

You all seem to have missed my post about Lynton Crosby. An Australian running campaigns for the tories. And being knighted for it' A foreigner interfering in our political processes.

Where was the indignation about that?

What has that got to do with whether it’s right for LP members to get involved with US politics?
Your post doesn’t make this clear so
do you think that what happened about Lynton Crosby was right? In which case +you* may well approve of the LP actions.

I’d never heard of him, but if I had I’d have objected to it happening, and I object to LP members who will be seen as representing our country, involving themselves in US politics.
This idea that someone else doing something you disapproved of justifies someone else doing the same sort of thing is weird.

MaizieD

You all seem to have missed my post about Lynton Crosby. An Australian running campaigns for the tories. And being knighted for it' A foreigner interfering in our political processes.

Where was the indignation about that?

I can see the difference between someone paid to do a job and a group of people canvassing in a country where they are not President.

Crosby is a UK resident.

Wassam if you are new you will find another thread ongoing on immigration discussing your points
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1341204-Almost-1-000-migrants-crossed-the-Channel-yesterday

Allira

They are representing Labour Party ideals and Amerians may believe they represent the Government of the UK.

Only if they believe MAGA misrepresentations.

I'm a member who feels other L party members should be able to choose to go and help or not. Happy with people in the Party who feel not

Labour Party members have helped in democratic elections before (its in the Sky article I referenced above)

which is why I said its a storm in a teacup - as nothing new here - until some newspapers chose it as this morning's regular "find todays L Party bashing topic"

You all seem to have missed my post about Lynton Crosby. An Australian running campaigns for the tories. And being knighted for it' A foreigner interfering in our political processes.

Where was the indignation about that?

They are representing Labour Party ideals and Amerians may believe they represent the Government of the UK.

Out of interest has anyone any ideas on how to stop the illegal migrants crossing the channel? Let's face it, the French are not interested (even though we pay them millions of pounds), we cannot send them back to France as they would not take them back and we cannot leave them adrift in the Channel. Even if we tried to send them elsewhere in the world the 'Human Rights' Lawyers and the ECHR would take on their cases and it would cost us, the Taxpayers millions in money.
When you talk about these 'gangs" in France how have the 'illegals' the money to pay for the crossings. You cannot tell me they will have the money without being 'in hoc' to the gangs somehow. They do not do instalment plans.
I have no objection to legal migration but with the illegals you have no idea who you are bringing in.
So, what would you do to stop it?

Are you a Labour member or voter by any chance Wyllow3?
I’d be more impressed by your arguments and staunch defence on this matter if you said you are a Conservative.
It isn’t a ‘storm in a teacup’ at all and am glad that many others on here find it a worrying thing.No group from another country should be canvassing/advising/ helping a presidential candidate, this isn’t even ten people but a hundred.There’s enough interference from malign players as it is without ‘friendly’ interference.

They are not "representatives", they are individual LP members who have chosen to go and help with a campaign voluntarily.

Absolutely this. I think some posters are missing the bigger picture. Trump poses an existential threat, along with the rise of the far right in Europe. Isolationism doesn't work, it never did, but the world is now more connected than ever and currently in a very precarious state.
I agree about the precarious state of the world, but the question was, should LP (or any political party) representatives be going to another country to get involved with their politics?

Iam64

Well as a LP member, I’m happy for my subs to be used to support Kamala.
All that needs for evil to triumph is for good to stand by saying, nothing to do with me

Quite ....

This is not the Labour government but the Labour party.

Witzend

If I found Americans canvassing for any political party before a general election of ours, I’d be livid. Let them stick to their own messy politics.
I seem to recall Barack Obama kindly telling us how we ought to vote in the Brexit referendum. IMO he should have minded his own business, too.

This!!

Grantanow

Frankly I think Trump is a threat to Western democracy and any legitimate action to keep him out of the White House is worth pursuing.

Absolutely this. I think some posters are missing the bigger picture. Trump poses an existential threat, along with the rise of the far right in Europe. Isolationism doesn't work, it never did, but the world is now more connected than ever and currently in a very precarious state.

"Farage plays up links with Trump and criticises Harris’s ‘radical left’ history
Nigel Farage and his deputy Richard Tice sought to capitalise on their links with the Trump campaign at Reform UK’s party conference"

"“But as a leader of a party that is now becoming mainstream, international affairs, our relationship with our most important, strategic international partner – the US – is very important and the world will be a safer place if Donald Trump wins the presidential election.

“Nigel’s strong relationship with Donald Trump is actually to the benefit of this country and it’s quite right that he cements and strengthens that." (Tice)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-donald-trump-richard-tice-david-lammy-reform-uk-b2616448.html

Smileless2012

You have no idea what my political beliefs are Casdon. Of course I disagree with any involvement from any of the parties and even more so when the party getting involved in this instance is our Government.

I do not need you or anyone for that matter to tell me when and if to hold my hands up.

What is your logic then Smileless, I think I know from your previous posts what your politics are, but if I’m wrong, I don’t understand your stance?