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How Tiresome, Silly Young Woman Protests At King Charles

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mae13 Mon 21-Oct-24 18:24:35

Lidia Thorpe shouted about the odds for Aboriginal peoples, for the moment. Apparently, she has cultivated an attention seeking habit of all things Australian over the years. Silly woman. Me, me, me look at me!

paddyann54 Thu 24-Oct-24 20:40:32

Ah but were they taken out to “welcome the king and queen” as happens even here when young school children are escorted onto the streets with union jacks to wave…..indoctrination from an early age .Thank goodness more people every year can see past this relic of the Middle Ages and realise they are nothing but parasites on a publicity tour to keep the cash flowing into their coffers! I have to laugh when there’s this reverence towards a woman who many hated with a. Vengeance when she was plain Camilla Parker Bowles ..titles mean nothing except to the deluded ,or those fed propaganda with their mothers milk

Jaberwok Thu 24-Oct-24 17:42:12

I think the King was very appreciative of all the good will he and the Queen encountered on this trip. The Australians of all colours and creeds were overwhelmingly in favour of him and gave him a wonderful welcome, as they have in Samoa. I think it's done him a lot of good, hopefully.

Anniebach Thu 24-Oct-24 16:52:49

The king was greeted with a welcome by aboriginal elders

Jaberwok Thu 24-Oct-24 16:34:13

Sadly for this lady, she has done her cause a lot of harm. The Monachists are delighted, according to my Australian cousins.

Grandma70s Thu 24-Oct-24 14:58:32

He was a guest in her country, and whatever her views she shouldn’t have expressed them in such an uncouth manner.

Allira Thu 24-Oct-24 14:52:21

Not a good move psychologically as it will turn a lot of people against her and not do her cause any good.

Ilovedogs22 Thu 24-Oct-24 14:46:15

SueEH

Good for her.

Yes, hear, hear for the brave, bold lady. 👏 💫👌

Ilovedogs22 Thu 24-Oct-24 14:43:05

I actually think she was very brave to protest as she did (preferably without the gang of dead possums on her back though!) It takes a lot of guts to to what she did on the world stage. 🌎

Wyllow3 Thu 24-Oct-24 14:00:44

I think it could be on the curriculum with pride and understanding - balancing the years school policy was designed to push out the cultures of thousands of years of indigenous life in Australia as backward. I say "could" as I dont know the current situation.

SueEH Thu 24-Oct-24 13:48:48

Good for her.

Allira Wed 23-Oct-24 15:38:01

The Elders can teach the traditional ways; it's not really something that should be on the school curriculum except just enough so that all children learn respect for the ways of others.

After all, there are children from dozens of different backgrounds living in Australia.

Wyllow3 Wed 23-Oct-24 15:29:53

The "gifting back" of land so people can choose to live in traditional ways is far from simple.

They are getting, by and large, the areas not profitable for farming or indeed survival. Areas where the indigenous populations were smaller.

It is very difficult, I agree, and throwing money without purpose won't serve anyone well. There has to be real opportunity for real choices, which means education includes knowledge and experiences of the traditional ways as well as support to go and do it.

Allira Wed 23-Oct-24 14:53:19

meant that only some have adapted to a western white lifestyle.

Some still live in the traditional way on the lands of their ancestors.

School is compulsory for all children from the ages of 5 or 6 to 15 but I think it is right that the children must be given a chance of education as they may decide they don't want to continue living in the traditional ways of their ancestors.

Like Ms Thorpe and many others, they may want to pursue careers.

Caleo Wed 23-Oct-24 14:15:48

David, to answer your objections to actual social enrichment for former dispossessed aboriginanlpeoples I quote Wyllow:

"It is important to ask why many indigenous peoples especially living in mainly indigenous communities have high rates of alcohol and drug use. Googled a lot as well as my own suspicions
- basically the points made settle around the combination of having been stripped of an originally meaningful and purposeful way of life (land, a nomadic rural lifestyle, belief systems) and being treated for 100+ years as second class citizens meant that only some have adapted to a western white lifestyle."

Ilovedogs22 Wed 23-Oct-24 11:35:59

I would like to ask her about the poor dead possum\ possum's on her back!!!!
They have land &living rights too. 🤔

David49 Wed 23-Oct-24 09:55:19

Patronizing or not billions of dollars each year is being spent to help aboriginal communities but it seems to get worse, you may draw a parallel with inner city youth and the gang culture in the UK that feels disenfranchised and hopeless.

Sorry I have no solutions but I don’t think throwing money at the problem will help.

Allira Wed 23-Oct-24 09:38:38

nanna8

She most certainly does not represent Aboriginal people. I’m talking about the real ones.

She has insulted leading Aboriginal activists over the years, including one who has worked hard for indigenous rights, Noel Pearson. Whether you agree with his views or not, why would you use insulting terms to describe them?

Freya5 Wed 23-Oct-24 09:27:18

LauraNorderr

David49

“But why deny that part of her heritage?
Which her English father says she does?”

There no denying there has been appalling treatment in the past but they are free to take advantage of their heritage now if they wish. Or they can integrate with the rest of the population, the problem is that countless millions is spent on support, yet the problem gets progressively worse. Much of the money meant for education and healthcare is spent on drink and drugs, with much of the younger generation much worse off.

Alice Spring used to be a thriving tourist destination, now it’s on its knees with riot police being called in to keep order, it’s not surprising that the recent vote to increase representation was lost

Good to know the aboriginal community are now free to take advantage of their heritage or can integrate with the rest of the population.
How kind of the European settlers to allow this.
Sounds a little bit patronising to me.

Really, it's the truth.

Jaberwok Wed 23-Oct-24 08:04:55

Undoubtedly that's what David meant. But if that is patronising, what do you do expect the 'European Settlers' to do? Keep things as they were? Pack up and move out of Australia? Somehow put the clock back? or? what?

Oreo Wed 23-Oct-24 07:26:02

I think David49 simply means that it’s the 21st Century now and the Aboriginal population can choose to celebrate their ancestry and still fit in with modern life in Australia, whereas in the past it was a different story.

LauraNorderr Wed 23-Oct-24 00:52:40

David49

“But why deny that part of her heritage?
Which her English father says she does?”

There no denying there has been appalling treatment in the past but they are free to take advantage of their heritage now if they wish. Or they can integrate with the rest of the population, the problem is that countless millions is spent on support, yet the problem gets progressively worse. Much of the money meant for education and healthcare is spent on drink and drugs, with much of the younger generation much worse off.

Alice Spring used to be a thriving tourist destination, now it’s on its knees with riot police being called in to keep order, it’s not surprising that the recent vote to increase representation was lost

Good to know the aboriginal community are now free to take advantage of their heritage or can integrate with the rest of the population.
How kind of the European settlers to allow this.
Sounds a little bit patronising to me.

nanna8 Wed 23-Oct-24 00:04:17

She most certainly does not represent Aboriginal people. I’m talking about the real ones.

Mojack26 Tue 22-Oct-24 22:27:34

And her facts were wrong!

Allira Tue 22-Oct-24 22:10:26

Wyllow3

Yes, in those semi desert isolated towns miles apart Allira - not hard to understand. Many on lands now given to huge farms with little employment since mechanisation.

Land, including some farms, is being handed back to the original owners.

biglouis Tue 22-Oct-24 20:19:13

Not a great royal watcher but Im glad that on the whole Charles and Camilla's tour has gone well. I think he had gained a lot of sympathy from having cancer and brownie points being so up front about it, and encouraging men to come forward.