Kaba

Kaba was a member of a very violent London gang and was wanted for attempted murder. The car he was driving was invilved in a firearms incident and was on a police watch list. Also he tried to ram his way out of a police road block and could have killed a police officer. He wasn't a nice person or some kind of martyr, but a violent low life who could have done something even worse. Hey ho, all the middle class " liberals" and communty activists won't see it like that.

That’s good news FGT2.
publishing inaccuracies like that can’t do the BLM project any good.

From the Telegraph tonight:

“A black rights charity that claimed the gangster Chris Kaba was a victim of “racist state violence” is being examined by regulators.

The Runnymede Trust, which openly criticised the legal system after a police officer was acquitted of murder for shooting Kaba, is facing questions from the Charity Commission following a complaint by Robert Jenrick, a Tory leadership contender.

It has now deleted the controversial social media posts and admitted they were a mistake.”

It was the judge's decision to end anonymity. If he had ruled in favour of anonymity the media could not have published the officer's name unless they were prepared to face contempt of court proceedings. I think he was wrong.

I wonder why it was turned down before? I hope Cooper is successful.

However I've uncovered a relevant point as to why the police officer was initially named

"The officer in the Kaba case, Blake, was named six months after being charged with murder, after a legal challenge to his anonymity by British news organisations

Presumably the judge could have ruled against naming, but the news was already out there from media pressure.

And more on proposals by police to protect officers

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/22/police-chiefs-government-make-harder-prosecute-officers-after-chris-kaba-shooting

Cooper's proposal to give firearms officers anonymity unless convicted is simply a proposal: it has to be included in a Bill not yet put to the Commons. Don't hold your breath as the same proposal was made by two previous Home Secs.

Yes, its a "catch 22", what remains is the bad decision to name the policeman.

Wyllow3

It ironical that the truth and details about Kaba' criminal past (and restraining order etc) were only able to be released after the trial.
Had they been immediately available after the shooting there might not have been the same levels of response.

I totally agree, but releasing the information would not be legal, the defence could have claimed that it would have influenced the jury and that this meant that there was no possibility of a fair trial.

DrWatson

For FGT2, I don't think you need to apologise. His family have doubtless had the benefit of umpteen criminal operations, and in my world, would be under investigation to get their illegal gains back off them.

Proving in court where cash/property came from is impossible all they have to say is the bought it off a man in a pub. A lot of illegal items are bought off “men in pubs.”

I repeat the police know who is thieving and causing trouble but it’s not possible to get proof that stands up in court.

For FGT2, I don't think you need to apologise. His family have doubtless had the benefit of umpteen criminal operations, and in my world, would be under investigation to get their illegal gains back off them.

People asking about the CPS should realise that's been a largely failing operation since a certain STARMER was its leader.

BlueBelle -- how do YOU know he had no weapon in the car??? IF you're claiming clairvoyance, please supply the weekend's Lottery numbers?

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eazybee

^But it could have been an entirely innocent person driving that car and he was then shot in the head and killed.^

An entirely innocent person would not have been driving the car, attempting to ram two police vehicles out of the way, while being ordered to stop by armed police.

Exactly this . I don’t doubt the statistics that indicate black drivers are more likely to be stopped than white drivers. That’s a totally different issue than being stopped but attempting to ram yiur way out of the situation. Kaba couldn’t have been unaware he was surrounded by armed officers.

Just a family behaving as predictably as many others would, in denial - don't demonise them, try and accept many families would behave the same. Why the hatred? blame the offender.

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But it could have been an entirely innocent person driving that car and he was then shot in the head and killed.

An entirely innocent person would not have been driving the car, attempting to ram two police vehicles out of the way, while being ordered to stop by armed police.

This problem is rife in the States and - having checked - many countries in Europe. I'm sure the police are doing their best and feel we should be supporting them especially after the support shown for the policeman today.

The officers knew the car had been involved in a previous incident and so obviously wanted to stop it.

So the car might just have been borrowed by those involved in the shooting outside the school and then returned to its innocent owner?

Really?

My credulity does have limits.

What I heard is that the officers involved did not know the ID of the car driver so that negates the fact that he was a known criminal. The officers knew the car had been involved in a previous incident and so obviously wanted to stop it.
But it could have been an entirely innocent person driving that car and he was then shot in the head and killed.
I think the error lies in revealing the name of the officer involved although this may well have become known in certain circles. I think there had to be a trial because there is always the headline of racism in such cases but at the same time we cannot expect firearm officers to protect us on one hand and not fire their guns when faced with an emergency situation. on the other hand.
Maybe such cases should be held in camera but then no doubt the relatives would just cry 'racism' and might lead to violence.
Whatever, that officer now has a bounty on his head and his whole family and future are in danger and that cannot be right!!!

There's a whole culture surrounding gang violence, it's there in drill and grime music (using the word music loosely) Umpteen videos have been taken down off YouTube often describing localised issues of gang rivalry and a wish list of aspirational violence to be meted out to rivals. I imagine the roots of gangs are deeply embedded and often pertain to cultural issues some of which have been imported. It's deeply regretable that young men, through the outlet of this type of rap emulate and look up to their gangster peers.To enter the crowded enclosure of a nightclub and to shoot indiscriminately at a rival shows a complete disregard for anyone. A little girl was injured a while ago in the crossfire whilst sitting in a restaurant. Gang warfare in the midst of our cities should be dealt with with the full force of the law if we don't want to live in a society that is in thrall to criminals such as Kaba. I'm with the general consensus on this, the policeman has been dealt with appallingly.

Margiknot

Stopping the gangs enrolling children into criminal lives might have saved this young man’s life.

That would enfringe the civil liberties of the little darlings, the police know who is responsible but proving it is another matter .

Totally agree

If this is true that a bounty has been put on the officer's head, why are the police, and all authorities not going all out to break this gang? Serious question.
Is this what this toleration of unlawful behaviour has led to?
It is very obvious from the brief footage shown of the shooting in the nightclub that these gangs and their cohorts behave with impunity, with utter contempt for the law.