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Back when things were sane

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Macadia Fri 25-Oct-24 08:41:45

I love Obama and the late Queen

youtu.be/I1aSSu1bfVY

jasper16 Sun 27-Oct-24 18:10:33

Ziplok

RosiesMaw2

jasper16

What do people like about Trump? Please anybody?

It's probably very superficial but I like the Obamas. I like their humour, their humanity, their intelligence, their love for their family.

As I say, no great incites into politics. Maybe I'm wrong.

The Queen, it was sad to see her battling on.It reminded me of my mother.

incites confusedconfused ?
Strikes me Trump did far too much inciting in January 2021

I think pulling someone up for their spelling is rather unkind. In this instance, it was quite obvious what jasper16 meant, and it had nothing to do with inciting.

Ah well, once a teacher and all that. I've learnt to spell reasonably well but the odd one still gets through ( threw?)

Skydancer Sun 27-Oct-24 17:42:44

David49

Cynical for sure, all they had to do was stay neutral, it was not to be, now it’s going to be a long haul to end, I was surprised by the attendance at the BRICS meeting, Russia is far from isolated.

I agree with you, David49. Apparently Russia was promised that NATO would not expand to the east and then it did so.

Ziplok Sun 27-Oct-24 17:04:56

RosiesMaw2

jasper16

What do people like about Trump? Please anybody?

It's probably very superficial but I like the Obamas. I like their humour, their humanity, their intelligence, their love for their family.

As I say, no great incites into politics. Maybe I'm wrong.

The Queen, it was sad to see her battling on.It reminded me of my mother.

incites confusedconfused ?
Strikes me Trump did far too much inciting in January 2021

I think pulling someone up for their spelling is rather unkind. In this instance, it was quite obvious what jasper16 meant, and it had nothing to do with inciting.

Dickens Sun 27-Oct-24 16:51:24

Cossy

nanna8

The Trump supporters I have come across tend to be very conservative, Bible believing Christians. He courts them, he knows that is where his vocal support is - in the pulpits down South. I would guess many churches would support him from the pulpit.

The issue with a lot of the “Bible Belts” is their extreme views on women and their rights. Any woman voting for Trump is very odd indeed!

Any woman voting for Trump is very odd indeed!

Different mindset.

If you've been raised to honour country, God, family - respecting menfolk as providers and protectors, women's rights will seem unnecessary and alien.

Many years ago, I used to chat on a forum populated mostly by Americans (it was a health forum, but there was also a section for off-topic chat). As a European, I was frequently taken to task for my political outlook, and the question of women's rights was just as frequently dismissed - by both sexes - as 'liberal nonsense'. I once suggested that commercial pornography relied heavily on the exploitation of women and that it encouraged men to see them as sexual objects - that caused quite a backlash against me, and my 'European' way of thinking! The consensus was that pornography was a legitimate business, and that as long as women were not trafficked, there was absolutely nothing wrong with it because everyone understood that men had needs and it probably stopped them from having to use prostitutes hmm. Some of the women genuinely believed that if you found a "good man" who worked hard to provide for his family, that alone was sufficient for a woman to be "happy" in the home.

Trump is accepted without question about his, erm, errant ways with women because in spite of this being his 3rd marriage, he presents as the family man who loves his offspring - he waxed lyrical after the death of his first wife, Ivana, about her qualities... she helped him run the family casinos. "She was a wonderful, beautiful, and amazing woman, who led a great and inspirational life" he wrote.

How could you not forgive him grin!

His 'observations' about women - the derogatory things he's said, are all dismissed as locker-room talk - men just being men.

I'd chatted to these women for months about health problems on the forum and they were lovely and supportive and helpful - they simply think quite differently to many of us because theirs is another culture.

I don't think they are odd - American culture can be, in many ways, incompatible with ours. But I think you need to understand their history.

Women and men have been socialized by family members, educators, and the media to associate leadership with a particular version of masculinity, an image Trump exemplified in his persona as the supremely successful businessman. He reinforced the masculine, leader-as-savior image with repeated claims that he alone could make America great again.
Source: Harvard Business School

Grantanow Sun 27-Oct-24 16:14:11

Ha ha. Well spotted Dadima! Of course 'sane' does not mean Fred wasn't stupid or vice versa.

Allira Sun 27-Oct-24 15:53:49

Yet the myths persist, Whitewave; I have heard this from other sources too.

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 14:55:22

Wvm2 don’t worry about it. 👍🏻

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 14:30:25

Wyllow- just like us in the uk with a knife ridden society. Sick to death of seeing yet another death caused by knifing- thank the lord we don’t have gun law in the uk

Whitewavemark2 Sun 27-Oct-24 14:08:24

Mt61

Look at the mess Biden caused withdrawing the troops out of Afghanistan, leaving all that ammunition for the taliban

You are confusing fact with fiction.

The fact is, President Joe Biden and his predecessor, Donald Trump, were both eager to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and end what Biden referred to in his Aug. 16 speech as “America’s longest war.”

The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.

Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31.

So Trump’s intention had been for withdrawal before it actually took place. I can if you desire give you a full rundown of what took place, from February 2020 to August 2021.

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 14:06:29

Yes Trump promised to bring the troops home safely but didn’t get chance

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 14:00:33

Look at the mess Biden caused withdrawing the troops out of Afghanistan, leaving all that ammunition for the taliban

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:57:15

Cossy- it’s only like other certain cultures then

Wyllow3 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:54:42

Mt61

merlotgran

You can’t put the words sane and Trump in the same sentence!

Well there wasn’t any wars going on under Trump

Trumps "death or victory" MAGA supporters think they are at war - he is leading the country into possible civil unrest in a gun ridden society - how can you say "no wars going on".

As for "Abroad" - do you believe that the US should not have supported Ukraine then? You can hardly say that Biden caused the invasion of Ukraine?

The country was involved in Afghanistan during Trump's presidency.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:52:22

nanna8

The Trump supporters I have come across tend to be very conservative, Bible believing Christians. He courts them, he knows that is where his vocal support is - in the pulpits down South. I would guess many churches would support him from the pulpit.

And now apparently Islamic mullahs, as well as the happy clappys.

Both believe in controlling sexuality and in particular woman’s bodies.

Both very conservative

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:45:44

nanna8

The Trump supporters I have come across tend to be very conservative, Bible believing Christians. He courts them, he knows that is where his vocal support is - in the pulpits down South. I would guess many churches would support him from the pulpit.

I hope so

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:42:20

merlotgran

You can’t put the words sane and Trump in the same sentence!

Well there wasn’t any wars going on under Trump

Mt61 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:36:59

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I find I’ve warmed to King Charles.
And I hope Trump wins the US presidential election.

Me too 😊

Wyllow3 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:31:52

(but those are Project 25 proposals, as well as ending abortion rights)

Wyllow3 Sun 27-Oct-24 13:30:50

We might think so, but he has women supporters outside the bible belt. whats the attraction? is it the "strong male I will protect you" thing? In interviews I've seen, it's not just that, it's also those who believe his economic policies will favour them.

How far the people have considered the effect of the far right Section 25 changes to democracy, I don't really know. Trump's speeches don't include ending an independent judiciary and other democratic structures.

Cossy Sun 27-Oct-24 11:51:01

nanna8

The Trump supporters I have come across tend to be very conservative, Bible believing Christians. He courts them, he knows that is where his vocal support is - in the pulpits down South. I would guess many churches would support him from the pulpit.

The issue with a lot of the “Bible Belts” is their extreme views on women and their rights. Any woman voting for Trump is very odd indeed!

Dickens Sun 27-Oct-24 11:03:33

halfpint1

It strikes me as a bad sign for religion when they ignore his bad behaviour and poor attitudes.

As nanna8 upthread said, you have to look at US history to understand Christian Right-Wing politics.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...

Trump's 'Christian-Right' frames its argument as a fight against evil - which means its opponents, the Democrats, are the devil incarnate, and therefore the enemy of the US.

They want to bring God into government, which is probably why some supporters genuinely believe that God-chose-Trump.

halfpint1 Sun 27-Oct-24 10:30:12

Sorry i was referring to the bible Belt
Comment by Nanna

halfpint1 Sun 27-Oct-24 10:28:08

It strikes me as a bad sign for religion when they ignore his bad behaviour and poor attitudes.

Astitchintime Sun 27-Oct-24 10:22:22

I could listen to Mr Obama all day long......such a lovely tone to his voice.

The Queen and Mr Trump.........oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! He had no concept of how to behave during that memorable visit when he walked in from of HM - what a buffoon!

Cossy Sun 27-Oct-24 10:15:59

25Avalon

Starmer will be hoping he doesn’t win. Trump won’t forget the sending of Labour staff to promote the democrats.

It’s my understanding that it was LP members, not staff and that this has happened in other US elections. Farage supported Trump in person at previous elections.