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Will Messrs Reeves and Raynor Still Be Around This Time Next Year?

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mae13 Sun 27-Oct-24 08:58:02

Sir Keir's ratings have nosedived so badly since the election that I wonder which moves he might be planning for his first Cabinet re-shuffle.
He strikes me as having an underlying ruthless streak and won't hesitate to jettison certain unpopular "comrades" in order to shore up his own position.
Whenever I see a media photo of Keir, Angela and Rachel grinning idiotically at each other I just have to think "I bet two of you will have got your P45's by next year......"

ronib Mon 28-Oct-24 13:42:30

MissAdventure you are paying £6 as presumably you need a return ticket? An extra £10 a week for the working person. £40 a month minimum extra.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:41:49

Oh here we go.
Breakfast clubs are already in use.

They are for anyone - anyone who works in the morning and needs to be there before school starts.
People with meetings, or appointments, regular or occasional.

They are already used, and sweet sod all to do with people being able or unable to give their children breakfast!!

Not everyone has parents to look after their children.

vegansrock Mon 28-Oct-24 13:40:26

The country is in a mess with NHS and public services starved of funds but no one wants to pay any more tax to help repair them.

jasper16 Mon 28-Oct-24 13:38:11

growstuff

kittylester

Surely, it isn't difficult to understand the correlation between how Bridget Phillipson appears to me and whether I trust her to do a good job.

Who is to dictate how I perceive people?

She looks smug to me and I don't like, or trust, smug people.

It has nothing to do with whether she went to the local state school or an expensive independent.

Don't you even care about policies and whether politicians achieve them?

Hmm ... now let me think which MPs (in my opinion) are more smug.

I think in more enlightened cultures it is possible for a parent to give a child a nourishing breakfast each day.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:37:44

I'd rather pay £3 than £6.

ronib Mon 28-Oct-24 13:34:48

Starmer has announced new cap of £3 on bus fares.
What is he thinking? This will hit the poorest in the country.

Casdon Mon 28-Oct-24 13:33:42

knspol

I thought KS was just out to punish pensioners and savers but seems employers are going to be the next target with the NI conts supposition for the budget and the changes to employment laws proposed by Rayner. Wonder how happy labour supporters are now?

Do you not think Labour supporters realised that the country was in a huge mess and that we would all be paying for it? Before the election lots of us on here said that we were willing to pay more taxes and be worse off to enable public services to be rebuilt and less people to be in poverty - and that is what is going to happen. I doubt you will find many Labour supporters who don’t agree that employees should be treated more fairly either?

kittylester Mon 28-Oct-24 13:21:50

Don't you even care about policies and whether politicians achieve them?

Of course but I am also allowed an opinion on the people aiming to deliver them.

escaped Mon 28-Oct-24 13:18:41

Smug?
Michael Gove looked priggish. And a bit like Peppa's dad too.

ronib Mon 28-Oct-24 13:18:30

escaped I think meal supervision at lunchtime is on a voluntary basis and is paid a token amount. I don’t see how teachers are able to supervise breakfast clubs as staff meetings are held from 8.30 am. Someone has to make the food too.

escaped Mon 28-Oct-24 13:12:49

Will school staff be expected to man it as they are with school meals, to teach table manners?
If it's teaching staff they'll be expecting to be paid quite a bit.
Will my 20% VAT hike on DGC's school fees be paying for this too?
I wish I could make my own personal money go this far.

orly Mon 28-Oct-24 13:12:11

Trueloveways

They’ll still be around in 10 years, hopefully, and this country will be in a much better position. I’m just thankful that the last bunch have finally been outed after 14 years.

So was I - for about three months. Now I'm not so sure. Starmer has surrounded himself with hobby women and camp chaps all of whom have nepotistic tendencies and their snouts deep in the trough.

growstuff Mon 28-Oct-24 13:02:18

kittylester

Surely, it isn't difficult to understand the correlation between how Bridget Phillipson appears to me and whether I trust her to do a good job.

Who is to dictate how I perceive people?

She looks smug to me and I don't like, or trust, smug people.

It has nothing to do with whether she went to the local state school or an expensive independent.

Don't you even care about policies and whether politicians achieve them?

Hmm ... now let me think which MPs (in my opinion) are more smug.

growstuff Mon 28-Oct-24 13:00:23

eazybee

Vulpine: crafty, cunning; her expression when confronted.
I am perfectly aware of Phillipson's educational achievements. She has an accent?

I sincerely hope she does repair crumbling schools and recruit, and retain more teachers.
The 'free' breakfast club is ridiculous; logistics, cost, place, time, universal, or carefully selected Labour constituencies? Will school staff be expected to man it as they are with school meals, to teach table manners? Will the money come from school capitation?

Free breakfast clubs are ridiculous - in your opinion! But at least we're discussing policies now. I agree absolutely that breakfast schools should be available to all pupils. I'm undecided whether they should be free to all.

LizzieDrip Mon 28-Oct-24 12:50:18

Wonder how happy labour supporters are now

knspol very happy thank you!

Thieves and robbers the lot of them, parading round in joke outfits

Nannyjasper is this just your opinion or do you have proof of this claim - particularly the ‘thieves and robbers’ accusation?

I know some posters don’t like it when I ask for ‘evidence’ but …🤷‍♀️

Mojack26 Mon 28-Oct-24 12:46:42

Hope not, never voted for them!

Nannyjasper Mon 28-Oct-24 12:37:41

Thieves and robbers the lot of them, parading round in joke outfits!!!

HousePlantQueen Mon 28-Oct-24 12:32:39

knspol

I thought KS was just out to punish pensioners and savers but seems employers are going to be the next target with the NI conts supposition for the budget and the changes to employment laws proposed by Rayner. Wonder how happy labour supporters are now?

punish pensioners and savers....sigh. Oh, and those awful changes to employment laws, how dare they!

sometimes the standard of posts on here.........

eazybee Mon 28-Oct-24 12:28:27

Vulpine: crafty, cunning; her expression when confronted.
I am perfectly aware of Phillipson's educational achievements. She has an accent?

I sincerely hope she does repair crumbling schools and recruit, and retain more teachers.
The 'free' breakfast club is ridiculous; logistics, cost, place, time, universal, or carefully selected Labour constituencies? Will school staff be expected to man it as they are with school meals, to teach table manners? Will the money come from school capitation?

knspol Mon 28-Oct-24 12:24:10

I thought KS was just out to punish pensioners and savers but seems employers are going to be the next target with the NI conts supposition for the budget and the changes to employment laws proposed by Rayner. Wonder how happy labour supporters are now?

Mollygo Mon 28-Oct-24 12:21:18

^ So what do you think about her aim to repair the nation's crumbling classrooms? Or increase staff-pupil ratios?^

I approve of them of course. They’re on my list of things for progress tracking, but I’m not sure how you suddenly diverted to that from your comments re MP’ appearance.

kittylester Mon 28-Oct-24 12:11:05

Surely, it isn't difficult to understand the correlation between how Bridget Phillipson appears to me and whether I trust her to do a good job.

Who is to dictate how I perceive people?

She looks smug to me and I don't like, or trust, smug people.

It has nothing to do with whether she went to the local state school or an expensive independent.

growstuff Mon 28-Oct-24 11:59:44

Mollygo

growstuff

^ Not by me! I prefer to discuss policies.^

So your comments earlier . . .

Yes? Your point is?

So what do you think about her aim to repair the nation's crumbling classrooms? Or increase staff-pupil ratios?

growstuff Mon 28-Oct-24 11:58:40

I wonder what people's opinions are of Bridget Phillipson's lowly background, her state school education and degree from Oxford (awarded despite apparently looking like a fox). Are people so horrified by her appearance that they don't even listen to what she says and does? As a former teacher, I'm quite positive about her plans for education (whether she succeeds is of course another matter), but, so far, she's demonstrated more understanding about what's actually going on in classrooms than most previous Education Secretaries.

Mollygo Mon 28-Oct-24 11:55:39

growstuff

^ Not by me! I prefer to discuss policies.^

So your comments earlier . . .