Will Messrs Reeves and Raynor Still Be Around This Time Next Year?

The country has never taxed people who don’t go to work except through VAT, car tax, petrol etc. They have a personal allowance and if they choose not to work, or can’t work for some reason, then they don’t use their tax allowance and they don’t pay income tax because they don’t earn an income. It was ever this, and I have no doubt that it will remain. The idea that people who don’t work so don’t pay income tax should make a payment towards services they may, or may not use, will not happen and I suspect will never happen. I hold no resentment towards people who don’t work using the NHS or education etc.

Incidentally, high earners don’t have a tax allowance (the usual one of around £12000) and actually pay tax on every single penny earned, and I’m not talking about billionaires.

I don’t think that sharing the burden of taxation is being ‘selective’ though. For too long it has been working people (ie those in work) who have been expected to fund the lifestyles of the non-working (ie those not paying income tax) and choosing to spread the burden of paying for for all the things we take for granted in a first world country seems to me to be fair and reasonable.

Why are you embarrassed by Angela Raynor Allsorts ?

The answer to the question is I hope not. Keir is boringly bland and AR an embarrassment. Don't think much of the opposition either. .
The people who have integrity and could do the job don't want it.

I agree that popular does not necessarily equate to competent, Angela Merkel is a good example. But at least she cared about everyone in her country. Keir Starmer appears to be selective.

Actually DD I agree with that, but being the best of a bad bunch isn’t that much of a recommendation. Then starting off by doing what he condemned others when they suggested it . . .

For what? My confidence in him?

No, I doubt he’s particularly thrilled about that. If he wanted my full support he’d be a lot further to the left, but we can only vote for who we think best. My MP was the best of the bunch, and I firmly believe that KS is the best of the leaders who could have got in.

He doesn’t have to single me out for consideration- that’s the reason I vote Labour - they are interested in what is fair for everyone.

He’ll care nought for that.

Why would popularity give you confidence though?

I have confidence in someone who is not rising to the media slurs and bot-inspired tweets that have whipped up such negativity. KS has said that he doesn't care about popularity and I respect that in him.

If he allowed some of the comments about him to make him deviate from his plans he would not the sensible leader I believe him to be. Popular does not equate to competent.

eazybee

Keir Starmer has just received the worst approval rating of any Prime Minister, ever. It has gone down 43 points to -38.
It may rise tomorrow, but it does not give you confidence.

He’ll care nought for that.

Keir Starmer has just received the worst approval rating of any Prime Minister, ever. It has gone down 43 points to -38.
It may rise tomorrow, but it does not give you confidence.

escaped

That envy word again! 😂

Not everyone has a works pension so it's sensible to try to put some aside if possible to avoid an impoverished (and very chilly) old age.

jasper16

*those of us with investments*

Bricking it about losing some of your dollar?

Actually, just an astute person!

That envy word again! 😂

those of us with investments

Bricking it about losing some of your dollar?

* WFP

The trouble is, leaks or not, it's now too late for anyone to do anything about it. That's why I understand the frustration and anger amongst pensioners about the WRP etc. It all sprang out of nowhere.

There was a very wise GN member, who on here 4 or 5 months ago, said there were ways of preparing for such eventualities, and that it was possible to mitigate some of the upcoming measures. Admittedly mainly to do with those of us with investments, and drawing down private pensions etc. Some sneered at her, some, including me, listened. I've done what I can, the rest I can't change. I'll live with the 20% VAT on school fees.
I'm genuinely sorry there will be others here less fortunate, and I get their rants.

jasper16

escaped

Now this is a huge improvement.
Hair shorter and behind the ears, lovely colour suit, matching lipstick and a silky ivory, oyster blouse. Near perfection Madame Reeves! 👏 👏

dear me, this is what is on people's minds?

Well, people are telling us to put budget speculation to the back of our minds, so I'm off on a different course until then!

*escaped
Now this is a huge improvement.
Hair shorter and behind the ears, lovely colour suit, matching lipstick and a silky ivory, oyster blouse. Near perfection Madame Reeves! 👏 👏
dear me, this is what is on people's mindsS?*
Yes of course- it’s bound to be commented on - I’m sure we all loved J Hunt’s suits and ties.

It is a standard strategy for specially constructed leaks before the budget.
Those prepared by the government in power are excused, those that can be blamed on other parties are condemned as dreadful behaviour by the party in power, as if they’d never do such a thing.

escaped

Now this is a huge improvement.
Hair shorter and behind the ears, lovely colour suit, matching lipstick and a silky ivory, oyster blouse. Near perfection Madame Reeves! 👏 👏

dear me, this is what is on people's minds?

Now this is a huge improvement.
Hair shorter and behind the ears, lovely colour suit, matching lipstick and a silky ivory, oyster blouse. Near perfection Madame Reeves! 👏 👏

eazybee

On a slightly different tack, the Budget is tomorrow and Rachel Reeves is apparently looking forward to delivering it, having put in an immense amount of preparation.

It is a pity therefore that KS and Wes Streeting are attempting to steal her thunder with various pronouncements about what it will contain; I have never seen Lindsay Hoyle so angry about the various leaks shared outside Parliament.

I have.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/25/lindsay-hoyle-berates-rishi-sunak-leaking-budget-details

On a slightly different tack, the Budget is tomorrow and Rachel Reeves is apparently looking forward to delivering it, having put in an immense amount of preparation.

It is a pity therefore that KS and Wes Streeting are attempting to steal her thunder with various pronouncements about what it will contain; I have never seen Lindsay Hoyle so angry about the various leaks shared outside Parliament.

escaped
The main befuddlement on any political threads, here on GN and on other SM sites is the assumption that anyone who expresses disappointment or disapproval or criticism of KS and the labour party automatically approved of everything the last government did.

The fact that labour got in and didn’t live up to the hopes and expectations of people who decided not to vote Conservative would seem a more likely reason for the criticism.

Saying wait for the budget makes sense,

but KS immediately doing something the last government was condemned by him for proposing to do,

the carefully leaked proposals, e.g. free breakfasts for all primary children together with ^no WFA for those who don’t need it, are stirring up unnecessary dissension.

I suppose that’s the same as the blanket assumption I mentioned earlier.