Will Messrs Reeves and Raynor Still Be Around This Time Next Year?

MissAdventure

Lots of people on here have said that their mothers worked, as did they.

Before WW2?

growstuff

escaped

Younger children don't really need any more than 5 minutes at the start of the day to have a chat. Infact a lot of their interaction is physical puppy play, just excitement at being together. A quick burst is enough. This can be done at drop off time.

In your opinion!

There are, of course, children whose parents have to be at work before the start of the school day.

I really do wonder how my children and all the children who went to primary school with them ended up so well-balanced. If GNers were right, that really wouldn't be the case.

People seem to forget that attitudes to bringing up children change all the time and that it was quite rare before WW2 for children to be brought up in a family with a parent who didn't do any work.

In my many years experience!

But equally children who had a longer time to engage with each other were just as well-balanced. Did I say anywhere they weren't?

My situation was a bit different, but my children came into work with me at 7.30 am and went home with me at 6.30 pm. (Keyholder). Luckily my long-suffering staff coped admirably with my children bobbing about on the premises ostensibly helping their elders to set up the day's work!
We, as mother's, all do what we can under challenging circumstances.

PS my children are well balanced too, but they did know where the staff biscuit tin was kept, and weren't beyond emptying it, looking at me with wide innocent eyes when questioned! 👀

MaizieD

^Teachers and others had to give up their jobs after marriage.^

I think that was relaxed somewhat during the war. My mother, who married in 1939, taught all the way through WW2. I doubt if she kept her marriage secret for the whole 5 - 6 years...

I meant before 1939 which is the time growstuff was referring to.

Teachers and others had to give up their jobs after marriage.

I think that was relaxed somewhat during the war. My mother, who married in 1939, taught all the way through WW2. I doubt if she kept her marriage secret for the whole 5 - 6 years...

Lots of people on here have said that their mothers worked, as did they.

I think that Alliria and I were more questioning the statement that pre WW2 it was unusual to be brought up in a family where one parent didn't work..

Though, historically, that may have been the case for children of poor parents who had to both work to make ends meet...

MaizieD

^People seem to forget that attitudes to bringing up children change all the time and that it was quite rare before WW2 for children to be brought up in a family with a parent who didn't do any work.^

I'm a bit 🤔 about that statement, growstuff.

Teachers and others had to give up their jobs after marriage.

Yes, ronib women were needed to do "men's" jobs during WW2 and had to give them up when the men were demobbed.

I can remember when my grandson just came to live with me, that I should apply for jobs with a 90 minute commute, each way.

Women’s aspirations changed during the Second World War though Allira, many tasted the freedom and financial reward of work, and were deeply resentful after the war if circumstances forced them back into full time. Housekeeping and child rearing. That marked the first move to the society we have now.

allira I remember from my history lessons that women were forced to give up their paid jobs after the war because men returning from the war wanted to work.

People seem to forget that attitudes to bringing up children change all the time and that it was quite rare before WW2 for children to be brought up in a family with a parent who didn't do any work.

I'm a bit 🤔 about that statement, growstuff.

People seem to forget that attitudes to bringing up children change all the time and that it was quite rare before WW2 for children to be brought up in a family with a parent who didn't do any work

Many women did work during WW2 but it was not the norm before then.

I'm wondering where this assumption of a 10 hour day has come from.

Is it a 'normal' length of time for very young children to be in a nursery, or with a childminder?

In your expert opinion!

escaped

Younger children don't really need any more than 5 minutes at the start of the day to have a chat. Infact a lot of their interaction is physical puppy play, just excitement at being together. A quick burst is enough. This can be done at drop off time.

In your opinion!

There are, of course, children whose parents have to be at work before the start of the school day.

I really do wonder how my children and all the children who went to primary school with them ended up so well-balanced. If GNers were right, that really wouldn't be the case.

People seem to forget that attitudes to bringing up children change all the time and that it was quite rare before WW2 for children to be brought up in a family with a parent who didn't do any work.

growstuff I don’t understand why you need to pick on the use of mum rather than mother. Baby talk? Is this even worth mentioning?

MissAdventure

Oh, latchkey kids.

I was one of those. I also was minder for my two younger siblings.

ronib

Growstuff I am thinking more about the young children- 4 to 6 years old who might enjoy just being with mum for a bit longer. Very old fashioned I know.

We've had this conversation many times on GN. I'm not interested in repeating what I've written many times.

PS. Why do you have to use the baby talk word "mum"? Is mother a dirty word now?

Of course it's my opinion.

Here's another one, the ridiculously long hours, lack of free play,constant competition and testing are contributing to behaviours which are being pathologised.

It’s your opinion though jasper16, it’s not an actual fact. Parenting is exceptionally important to children, but good parents don’t come in a single stay at home to look after your children full time yourself package.

Oh, latchkey kids.

Casdon

jasper16

ronib

Growstuff I am thinking more about the young children- 4 to 6 years old who might enjoy just being with mum for a bit longer. Very old fashioned I know.

Is it old fashioned and ( dare I say it) may be preferable. But few families can afford to exist on one salary. The woman also daren't step away from a job or career.

I think it's horrible that 4 year olds are putting in a 10 hour day.

You forget that by the time children start school they will have been in nursery, so from the age of one they are used to being away from home for ten hours - it is already their normal. They do grow up to be perfectly normal, well adjusted adults too, surprisingly enough.

10 hours a day for a tiny is too long on my opinion. Its particularly tough in winter when children are often unwell.Also they are not just playing and having a nap. They are subjected to the rigours of the National Curriculm.

MissAdventure

Where did everyone's children go while they worked?
I'm often surprised by how many women did work - so what were the arrangements for your own children?

Where did they go?

I think there may have been extended family and also children were left in the care of elder siblings. Also some fended for themselves.

Where did everyone's children go while they worked?
I'm often surprised by how many women did work - so what were the arrangements for your own children?

Where did they go?

jasper16

ronib

Growstuff I am thinking more about the young children- 4 to 6 years old who might enjoy just being with mum for a bit longer. Very old fashioned I know.

Is it old fashioned and ( dare I say it) may be preferable. But few families can afford to exist on one salary. The woman also daren't step away from a job or career.

I think it's horrible that 4 year olds are putting in a 10 hour day.

You forget that by the time children start school they will have been in nursery, so from the age of one they are used to being away from home for ten hours - it is already their normal. They do grow up to be perfectly normal, well adjusted adults too, surprisingly enough.