Governments First Budget

According to Gov.UK 2022-2023 tax receipts

Income taxes (PAYE and self assessment) £255 billion
National Insurance £178 billion

The above were 42% of total tax receipts.

The remaining 58% is VAT, Fuel Duty, Road Tax etc.

I imagine those who stay home and rear the future generations, care for parents and/or other family members. Contribute to the 58% of taxes collected every time they open their purse.

Those who are fortunate enough to have a partner/wife/husband who earns enough to enable them to do the above are equally valuable to society and should be just as respected as those who work outside of the home.

Sorry David I see you just said this!

There were no posts about farmers and their plight until the new governmen brought them into line with IHT in this budget. Just as there was little traffic about the WFP until it was means-tested.

I don't claim to know much about any of it, but Mr Dog is from a farming background and worked n the food industry for most of his life.

I've never been one to claim to understand the ins and outs of everything to do with the sectors my husband/children/hypothetical grandchildren work in, as it's so tedious to hear second-hand reports on things that have little to do with modern situations, but having listened to family discussions for years I was inclined to believe RR when she said that only a few family farms would be impacted by her budget.

Of course I am interested in hearing from farmers about how this matters to them, but as with moans about means-testing the WFP from people who can still buy clothes from Joules or holiday in second homes abroad it is just white noise.

MaizieD

^How will NHS staff manage to find the extra staff needed for the proposed extra beds and diagnostic tests? Medical staff take years to train.^

Perhaps the wage increases will entice back some of the already trained practitioners who have left the NHS over the past few years?

No I doubt the wages will bring back a vast amount of staff.

I included myself here, once you're abound 58 - 60 ish, you take your NHS pension work just a couple of days.
All NHS professionals start out as a Band 5, if you have been there years like I was, your progress though the payscales. Basically with your NHS Pension you will earn more for doing less.
Me I left and was asked to join the Hospital Bank and I'm still working, but without the pressure and grief.
In my field we have at least 6 - 7 Bank or agency staff daily.
There is just not enough full time /permanent staff to function, this has been happening for about 20 years.

and where will all the highly qualified staff to operate them come from? It takes years to train staff to operate scanners, they are very highly trained and not well paid, and there aren’t enough staff to fill the vacancies now
Give them a chance!
There’s no rush. They have a ten year plan . . . So can claim success anytime, right up to 9 years 364 days.

Mollygo

^and where will all the highly qualified staff to operate them come from? It takes years to train staff to operate scanners, they are very highly trained and not well paid, and there aren’t enough staff to fill the vacancies now^
Give them a chance!
There’s no rush. They have a ten year plan . . . So can claim success anytime, right up to 9 years 364 days.

I guess we’ll need people from the EU. Oh, hang on a minute……

There will be some returners, because there are hundreds of thousands of disillusioned ex NHS professionals working in other sectors now, and overseas. It won’t be anywhere near enough to shore up the service in the short term, particularly in diagnostics. My hope is that more people can be attracted into training, because the longer term problem is the inability to fill training places.

There were no posts about farmers and their plight until the new governmen brought them into line with IHT in this budget.

I believe there were but perhaps you didn't see them.

Allira

^There were no posts about farmers and their plight until the new governmen brought them into line with IHT in this budget^.

I believe there were but perhaps you didn't see them.

A quick search brings up ten pages listing threads about farming; not all threads will be about the difficulties farmers face and did face but many do.

As stated by the government AI technology will reduce staffing necessary to operate scanners
The current trial in Scotland will be rolled out to other health authorities.
AI, like it or not, is the future and the government gave said they will invest in AI computer technology used by public services.
www.nhsggc.scot/uk-first-queen-elizabeth-university-hospital-implements-ai-ct-scan-technology-to-help-reduce-ae-pressures/

Unfortunately the nature of farming is that there’s always one plight or another - taxes, IHT, weather, livestock and crop disease, land prices, food prices, competition from abroad etc. etc. I’m not being critical when I say this, but I’ve never heard a farmer say there’s been a year without major challenges.

I hope there's more positivity in the NHS than there is on this thread. Of course staffing is going to be a problem, so the solution won't be in the short term, but they've got to start somewhere. The alternative is to say they won't bother and leave the situation as it is now.

Casdon

Unfortunately the nature of farming is that there’s always one plight or another - taxes, IHT, weather, livestock and crop disease, land prices, food prices, competition from abroad etc. etc. I’m not being critical when I say this, but I’ve never heard a farmer say there’s been a year without major challenges.

True and yes, there are many challenges which is why there have been threads on farming previously.

However, farmers have been dealt one hammer blow after another recently.

For those that aren't familiar with Community Diagnostic Centres the attached may be useful. It also discusses staffing.
www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/community-diagnostic-centres/

There is more positivity, but also some trepidation that the expectation in the short term is too high growstuff. Staff are beaten down, but they aren’t out yet. Everybody I know still working in the NHS wants it to get better for patients, and to have the resources and staff to make that happen.

MayBee70
I guess we’ll need people from the EU. Oh, hang on a minute…confused…

Why are you confused? Don’t tell me you’re worried that all the spaces are being taken up by the continuing boatloads. It’s not so. That continuation is a totally different issue.

OldFrill

For those that aren't familiar with Community Diagnostic Centres the attached may be useful. It also discusses staffing.
www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/community-diagnostic-centres/

I had my suspected melanoma diagnosed in a community setting by tele-dermatology. Originally, I had an appointment with a consultant, but this was brought forward. I went to a local hub and had the "mole" photographed with a special camera. The image was then sent to a consultant, who responded within 24 hours.

The waiting list for dermatology here is horrendous. My GP put me on the two week cancer pathway, which is more like six weeks. Apparently, everybody used to be sent for a face-to-face consultation with a consultant. Most suspect lesions turned out to be negative, so a lot of time was "wasted". This way, patients can go to a local hub and be seen by a relatively junior member of staff who just has to point and click a camera. The consultant sees all the images, but can concentrate on the ones which raise suspicions.

Mollygo

MayBee70
I guess we’ll need people from the EU. Oh, hang on a minute…confused…

Why are you confused? Don’t tell me you’re worried that all the spaces are being taken up by the continuing boatloads. It’s not so. That continuation is a totally different issue.

I was just pointing out that I would assume the NHS is missing the EU staff that were made to feel so unwelcome after Brexit, including someone I knew who had a breakdown. But Brexit continues to be the elephant in the room.

Oh heck …

Michael O’Leary, the Ryanair chief executive, accused the Chancellor of a short-sighted tax grab he said demonstrated that she “has no clue how to deliver growth in the UK economy”.

He added: “Reeves has damaged the UK’s growth prospects and made air travel much more expensive for UK families travelling abroad on holidays or to visit friends and family.

“At a time when Ireland, Hungary, Sweden and many regions in Italy have abolished air travel taxes, Chancellor Rachel Reeves’s idiotic decision to further raise the UK’s already-high air travel taxes will deliver cuts, not growth.”

Oh heck2 …

The Chancellor’s budget raid could cost a GP practice the equivalent of five nurses’ salaries, estimates suggest.

GP surgeries, care homes and hospices are among those demanding an exemption from the hike in National Insurance, saying the extra tax on employers may force some to close.

The Government had said that the public sector would be exempted from the rise.

However on Thursday night, Darren Jones, the Treasury minister, said GP practices were “not part of the public sector” and would face extra costs.

Dr Richard West, chairman of the Dispensing Doctors Association, has written to the Health Secretary, warning that such a hike, combined with the increase in the National Living Wage, could force surgeries to shut up shop.

Dr West, whose practice serves 16,000 patients in rural Suffolk, said: “Our accountants have calculated that the practice will incur additional costs of £140,000 from next April. This includes the costs associated with the rise in employers’ NICs and the Living Wage. This is equivalent to several senior clinical staff.”

The figure is almost as much as the combined starting salary of five nurses, who earn £29,969.

growstuff

I hope there's more positivity in the NHS than there is on this thread. Of course staffing is going to be a problem, so the solution won't be in the short term, but they've got to start somewhere. The alternative is to say they won't bother and leave the situation as it is now.

My GD has just started as a medical student and it is clear already that there is a drive to promote wellbeing and a focus on retention in the longer term.

The very wealthy will continue to find ways of evading paying tax and, as usual, ordinary people will be the ones bearing the brunt.

Ordinary People are, of course, not the same as Working People because Ordinary People include small business owners, farmers, GPs, those running hospitality businesses, etc.

Mind you Himself just read the same article in the Telegraph and commented “I wouldn't trust this doctor with an abacus let alone a prescription pad. Try retirement.” 🤣

Casdon

Unfortunately the nature of farming is that there’s always one plight or another - taxes, IHT, weather, livestock and crop disease, land prices, food prices, competition from abroad etc. etc. I’m not being critical when I say this, but I’ve never heard a farmer say there’s been a year without major challenges.

You are correct there.
Famaily farming has always been precarious.
Good years mixed in with bad ones.
And different sectors can work at different levels.

I think I am right in saying, the poulty sector has had some good years[not counting bird flu].
Sheep have been doing relatively better for a little while. At least where I am.

Other sectors, dodgier.

Fruit and veg - have trouble with recruiting staff last few years. At least around here. Crops left in ground in some cases.

GP surgeries, care homes and hospices are among those demanding an exemption from the hike in National Insurance, saying the extra tax on employers may force some to close.

I could see some of that coming, once figures start to sink in.
I think I read charities are trying to get exemptions, with no joy so far.

I think I am right in saying, if you employ 3 employees or less, you are exempt.
Was in a small cafe this morning.
He seemed to think he was exempt. I think he was employing some family members.