Trump

The voters did not care how Trump spoke they only cared that he promised a better life by eliminating the evil cause of their misfortunes IMMIGRANTS .Trump spreads hate .
The immigrants came to America seeking freedom .

petra

So much hand wringing and angst when it will all be forgotten by the weekend 🤷‍♀️

The implications won't. When we can't breathe.

So much hand wringing and angst when it will all be forgotten by the weekend 🤷‍♀️

My son emigrated to the US about 15 years ago. He can’t vote out there, as he’s still British.

He phoned me last night, as I was getting worried about potential unrest.

He said he thought Trump would win. He said the majority aren’t worried about his character, and couldn’t care less about climate change or global politics.

He said the major worries out there are immigration and the economy, and that’s what most people would vote on.

Which Trump has said he will fix. He probably won’t, but people think he will.🤷‍♀️

Because it is a different country. A mean spirited, grabby, greedy , racist place. Full of narrow minded bigots.

No resemblance to what we once had and valued.

Thank you Babs.

I was always proud to be a UK citizen but the lies and hatred engendered by Brexit, in my fellow citizens, has made me feel ‘estranged’ from many of them. It ‘flicked a switch’ in me that has made me view my country differently. That’s how I feel.

People can have their own views but they have no right to say my feelings are not OK.

Oreo

How can we be anti Europe when we’re part of Europe?

there is mor to it than just geography. And unlike the rest of Europe, we have always had a big water divide. And for the past 8 years, a massive economic divide, and so much more.

I walked over the border today, and back again, up there in the mountains. Impossible to do from the UK!

Trump had a high number of votes from Catholic Latinos due to their not believing in abortions and they are the people Trump is going to deport first ! How stupid of them !

LizzieDrip

*It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country*

Oreo that’s your opinion, but that is how I felt after the Brexit referendum, and still do feel to a certain extent.

Please don’t tell me that my feelings ‘aren’t fine’.

@lizzie I felt like a woman without a country after Brexit, after seeing how anger and hostility/hatred against immigrants/foreigners was stoked for the sake winning a referendum. It wasn’t the country I had felt previously proud of and like you I still feel that way to sone extent.
Others can call me out for that but it is the way I feel. And am sure many Americans feel that way too.

ronib

What is to stop Trump changing the rules about Presidential number of terms? I would not put it past him to try.

That's true. He did say vote once and you'll never have to vote again.

It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country

Oreo that’s your opinion, but that is how I felt after the Brexit referendum, and still do feel to a certain extent.

Please don’t tell me that my feelings ‘aren’t fine’.

But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers

Do the words " Native American" ring any bells?

What is an " incomer" in this context please?

Fleurpepper

Namsnanny

Fleurpepper

Namsnanny

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Namsnanny

Little factoid (probably known by many), the Amish came out to vote for the first time ever.
They must have thought it an unusual election to have made such a decision.
They generally hate anything associated with the English world

The catalyst was raw milk.

Just as good a reason as any other.

It is very expensive here, as I know, we have it delivered from outside of our county, as no farms produce it near by.
A valuable food source imo

Oh come on- the Amish can keep their own cows if they wish.

Can you explain your comments, please?

Simple enough, still a very rural community, with land and farms- so keeping a few cows for raw milk, either as families or communities, should not be a problem.

I don't understand why you made that particular comment, or quite who it was meant to be for, or why use the slightly peevish Oh come on? Highlighting some irritation on your part.

Oh come on - the Amish can keep their own cows if they wish

Who suggested they couldn't?

What point were you trying to make, sorry but i just can't see any point at all!

keeping a few cows for raw milk should not be a problem

But it was, as I understand it, for the Biden gov. Is that your understanding?

Ergo one presumes the Amish went to vote for Trump because of this issue?

I'm asking really because I come across plenty of crossed wires when people argue discuss on line, and your irritated response suggest an underlying reason.

MayBee70

^I don’t like the man. But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers^
In America’s case that’s black and Latino people, though (amongst others)

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Oreo

How can we be anti Europe when we’re part of Europe?

Isn't the "anti" against the EU rather than Europe?

Of course, there are those (often men) who just dislike the French, and the Germans for various (questionable) reasons but on the whole many of those who voted to leave the EU still very much enjoy travelling all over it.

Ok anti EU. Happy now?

How can we be anti Europe when we’re part of Europe?

LizzieDrip

*Golden Lady* whoever referred to the American people as “crazy Americans”, should be ashamed and should apologise to you. I’m apologising on their behalf (and it certainly wasn’t me).

I feel deeply for the American people today. I know a little of how it feels when half of your country folk vote for something that is completely abhorrent to you. That’s how I felt after the UK Brexit referendum. I felt like the UK wasn’t my country anymore.

You are not all ‘crazy Americans’. Many of us here will feel your pain.

I agree with your first paragraph.
It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country’ as it obvs is and if things had gone the other way in the US election or the Brexit decision then would the disappointed side be equally right to complain it wasn’t their country/ not fair/ not democracy?

I don’t like the man. But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers
In America’s case that’s black and Latino people, though (amongst others)

LizzieDrip

*Golden Lady* whoever referred to the American people as “crazy Americans”, should be ashamed and should apologise to you. I’m apologising on their behalf (and it certainly wasn’t me).

I feel deeply for the American people today. I know a little of how it feels when half of your country folk vote for something that is completely abhorrent to you. That’s how I felt after the UK Brexit referendum. I felt like the UK wasn’t my country anymore.

You are not all ‘crazy Americans’. Many of us here will feel your pain.

The problem is countries as a whole get branded by the people who represent them on the world stage. It still pains me to think that the rest of the world probably regards all of us as anti Europe.

Golden Lady whoever referred to the American people as “crazy Americans”, should be ashamed and should apologise to you. I’m apologising on their behalf (and it certainly wasn’t me).

I feel deeply for the American people today. I know a little of how it feels when half of your country folk vote for something that is completely abhorrent to you. That’s how I felt after the UK Brexit referendum. I felt like the UK wasn’t my country anymore.

You are not all ‘crazy Americans’. Many of us here will feel your pain.

If you look at the demographic who voted for him - young men, Black and Latino men then you have to ask yourself what all these apparently diverse groups see in him. They are groups who feel there is nothing in it for them from conventional politicos. They are not being listened to. They see prices rising, unfettered immigration and deep divides between rich and poor. Europe is moving to the right. Why should the USA be any different? This is a warning shot here for the neo-liberal woke do-gooders to heed and listen before they are swept aside.

I dont like the man. But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers.

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

What I don’t understand is this; when Trump professes to ‘make America great again’ do those who support him not realise that he is a figure of fun and ridicule in other countries. Along with being feared, not because, as they think, he is strong but because he is deranged and dangerous. And the people who support him, black, Latino and now Muslim ( because of Gaza) are the very people that he despises. Is he popular because of being on The Apprentice? Do they note realise that, far from being good with money, he has been bankrupt. And that he isn’t self made: his money came from his father. Why do those in the Bible Belt not see him as a misogynistic womaniser and philanderer? My heart bleeds for those Americans like yourself that can see him for what he is but I hope that those that can’t will have their eyes opened over the next few years.

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

Thank you for sharing some thoughts on your reality. Our friends in the USA are devastated.

Wrong thread. I meant to post this on US Election thread.
Ah well.