Trump

Well, me too, except for the obvious factors....I'm just getting the same feelings as when a UK party says they will "turn the boats back - dump them straight back....." (when they cant - all factors above) yet it's a vote winner....💁

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

People are on the move all over the world, always have and always will, it’s a problem as old as the hills

I think the optics of 1,000’s of mainly young men arriving on boats, is worrying to some, whereas families arriving in need of refuge initiate a different feeling, one of empathy.

They also have high levels of single young men arriving GG13 who go to work rapidly in construction and agriculture. They then bring over families or marry....

I know Wyllow3 what I do not know is how any Government, President, Prime Minister is going to be able to handle the migrant situation, trying to please everyone and abide by international laws.

Fortunately this conundrum is way above my pay grade!

Skitterbug

MissInterpreted

I will never understand how even one person can vote for that vile piece of **, never mind millions. America, you disgust me!

Please -- don't lump all of us into one basket. I am devastated by Trump's win. So saying that I disgust you? Really?! That seems harsh and incredibly unkind given how many of us are grieving.

I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment. I was referring to the result as a whole, rather than individual voters. I have several American friends (none of whom voted for Trump) and like you, they are all devastated by the result, so I do understand how you must be feeling.

GrannyGravy13

People are on the move all over the world, always have and always will, it’s a problem as old as the hills

I think the optics of 1,000’s of mainly young men arriving on boats, is worrying to some, whereas families arriving in need of refuge initiate a different feeling, one of empathy.

They also have high levels of single young men arriving GG13 who go to work rapidly in construction and agriculture. They then bring over families or marry....

Skitterbug many of us over here are grieving deeply, I assure you. We've had visitors from the US on long discussions before the elections. Also dont lump people together, but seek to understand.

Its going too hit us hard not just emotionally, but when Trump puts tariffs on all goods, out own plans for the future.

MissInterpreted

I will never understand how even one person can vote for that vile piece of **, never mind millions. America, you disgust me!

Please -- don't lump all of us into one basket. I am devastated by Trump's win. So saying that I disgust you? Really?! That seems harsh and incredibly unkind given how many of us are grieving.

People are on the move all over the world, always have and always will, it’s a problem as old as the hills

I think the optics of 1,000’s of mainly young men arriving on boats, is worrying to some, whereas families arriving in need of refuge initiate a different feeling, one of empathy.

Not all of us are crazy. Many of us are so disappointed. Bereft. I dread the next 4 years.

Of course many migrant families have children and evengrand-children, born on USA soil and therefore citizens. Trump intends to send the all back, to be kind and not split families!!! So sending children and grandchildren back to a country they don't know, and who are citizens. How will this be possible?

He's said he would tackle serious criminals first, which I don't disagree with in theory,

But he will hit the same reality that we have - how do you deport a prisoner to his/her country of origin if they refuse to take them?

I think he’s mainly all talk. They can crack down on some illegal migration but if it had been easy to do then it would have been done already.

The price tag of enforcement will be enormous - he has said he'd use the Army, (which is free?) but to do what? Also the price tag on legal challenges.

New Yorkers weren't slow to protest..(on deportation and womens health rights)

short video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz_lq6P1RT8

Wyllow3

I've been doing some reading up on Trumps promises to deport millions of migrants rapidly.

He'll run into problems - countries refusing to take people back, people halfway through asylum claims, many migrants doing jobs in agriculture, construction, and caring, at wages no one will tolerate, but the businesses rely on the low pay to remain competitive: border stopping will work to a point, but there will be an increase in people smuggling just like we have with boat people.

In the states, its complicated by the semi' legal status of many (ie they have permission to stay as a result of certain laws, but not citizenship) - these current laws can be changed, but people will then be torn away from jobs and families and so on.

Looking at it crudely for a moment (and forgetting the cost in human terms), is he going to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Millions who are working in those low-paid jobs we've been told about are going to have to be replaced - presumably by native Americans, and those that voted for him are not going to be pleased if, on taking over these jobs, they are not given a wage they can live on.

So how is this aspect going to affect the economy - apart from the cost of the actual whole deportation programme - businesses and organisations are, surely, going to have to pay more for their legitimate workers. Where will the billions of $$ come from - will it have a ripple effect on jobs and the jobs market?

It's said the these immigrants themselves often run small businesses on which other jobs rely, and I assume some of those other jobs are legitimate.

Still, Trump is the businessman of businessmen, so I guess he's thought this all through as he has declared there's no price tag.

I've been doing some reading up on Trumps promises to deport millions of migrants rapidly.

He'll run into problems - countries refusing to take people back, people halfway through asylum claims, many migrants doing jobs in agriculture, construction, and caring, at wages no one will tolerate, but the businesses rely on the low pay to remain competitive: border stopping will work to a point, but there will be an increase in people smuggling just like we have with boat people.

In the states, its complicated by the semi' legal status of many (ie they have permission to stay as a result of certain laws, but not citizenship) - these current laws can be changed, but people will then be torn away from jobs and families and so on.

Trump has got to deliver on his promises now. Let’s see how that pans out!

Missinterpreted Please think again. It is really unsafe and totally irresponsibly to go to bed and not lock your door!

Maybe they did - I still can't get my head round it though. And yes, I stand by what I said. His past record stands for itself. I'm certainly not alone in thinking that way.

MissInterpreted

I will never understand how even one person can vote for that vile piece of **, never mind millions. America, you disgust me!

So you are saying almost a huge nation voted for a man you don’t like so that entitles you to call him a horrible name. Does that make you feel better?

Remember, the people who voted Trump came from all sections of the USA like Latino people, black people, women etc all groups who the Trump haters said should hate him.
They must have seen something in him that you don’t.

We have supposed to have been on the cusp for 20 years or more.
If all the things that were predicted to happen years or decades ago, had happened, that would be a very different matter.
But they did not happen [on the whole].

There have always been natural[I would say God] events.
And natural ebbs and flows. of weather, and weather patterns and weather events.
Always.

I would not say that fracking for instance, per se, wont cause loaclised problems of one sort or another.
Should there be earthquakes underground? It doesnt sound right.
And I wouldnt trust whoever at those sites not to pollute the water etc.
But I think you were talking about climate change in particular?

fancythat

Fleurpepper

He of course intends to start fracking, foraging and re-open coal and other mines. With globla warming doing so much damage currently, what will happen then?

Seriously, it will be ok.

We’re on the cusp of no going back climate wise and we have the USA controlled by a climate change denier. Why is that going to be ok?

Fleurpepper

He of course intends to start fracking, foraging and re-open coal and other mines. With globla warming doing so much damage currently, what will happen then?

Seriously, it will be ok.

Galaxy

He also restored all the feminists accounts which the previous owner had blocked, it is a funny old world.

... journalists, too.

Even those who'd logged his private aircraft's flight paths...

Because as he said, he's a free-speech absolutist so would've found it a tad awkward not to.

All well and good. Left and Right equally happy (or unhappy).

But then, there's those algorithms tweaks. The sudden boost / burst in engagement with his posts endorsing Trump after the assassination attempt, the number of view-counts, re-tweets, etc, have left the distinct impression that an algorithm 'adjustment' may well be part of a move to shape public opinion by, basically, decided which voices are heard the most.

So yes, it is a funny old world. Some speech is more free than other speech.

Or it could just be me. I don't believe there are many, if any, very wealthy powerful men - on the Right or the Left - who are completely unbiased.

Yep Dickens it's all about the money. It is all Trump cares about. Democracy run by the rich for the rich and all the poor buggers voted 'em in...

He also restored all the feminists accounts which the previous owner had blocked, it is a funny old world.