The Guardian offers counselling to staff after ‘upsetting’ Trump election result!

Jeanathome

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Whether you see it or you don’t, you can’t do anything about it.

I suppose all you can do is to try to be a decent human being and not rub people's noses in it for no good reason.

Who’s noses?
What a strange comment.

Nobody can change, even if they wanted to, whichever political party is in government.
All that can be done is protest about some policies but again even that won’t often change things.
The very stupid decision to take away the WFA has stood even after a protest from just about everyone.

True Dickens - Attlee and the Health Service (driven by Bevan) for example.
Racial discrimination laws, ending the death penalty, decriminalisation of homosexuality, equal pay, education for all... the list goes on

To say that a change of government is "same old" is just not true.

NotSpaghetti

True Dickens - Attlee and the Health Service (driven by Bevan) for example.
Racial discrimination laws, ending the death penalty, decriminalisation of homosexuality, equal pay, education for all... the list goes on

To say that a change of government is "same old" is just not true.

People who saw the iniquity of the Poll-Tax created a 'fuss' - though I'm not in favour of violent-rioting, but one can hardly say that "there's nothing we can do about it" in similar situations.

Even some in her cabinet thought it 'unworkable'. And told MT so.

I know that sometimes protest and 'doing something about it' doesn't work - we were unable to stop Blair's war but, if people just shrug and take the 'oh-well-there's-nothing-we-can-do-about-it' line against governments - well, it's quite possible women might still be fighting for the right to vote.

On a side-note, it is alleged that Peter Walker (then Welsh secretary) thought that homeless people should also pay the tax, he thought that individuals would deliberately make themselves homeless in order to avoid it. How likely that would be is questionable. And possibly indicates how little he understood about homelessness, especially when it results in people living day to day on the streets.

Dickens

NotSpaghetti

True Dickens - Attlee and the Health Service (driven by Bevan) for example.
Racial discrimination laws, ending the death penalty, decriminalisation of homosexuality, equal pay, education for all... the list goes on

To say that a change of government is "same old" is just not true.

People who saw the iniquity of the Poll-Tax created a 'fuss' - though I'm not in favour of violent-rioting, but one can hardly say that "there's nothing we can do about it" in similar situations.

Even some in her cabinet thought it 'unworkable'. And told MT so.

I know that sometimes protest and 'doing something about it' doesn't work - we were unable to stop Blair's war but, if people just shrug and take the 'oh-well-there's-nothing-we-can-do-about-it' line against governments - well, it's quite possible women might still be fighting for the right to vote.

On a side-note, it is alleged that Peter Walker (then Welsh secretary) thought that homeless people should also pay the tax, he thought that individuals would deliberately make themselves homeless in order to avoid it. How likely that would be is questionable. And possibly indicates how little he understood about homelessness, especially when it results in people living day to day on the streets.

Thanks NitSpag, LizzieDrip and Dickens for continuing to try and keep a debate going.

I was one of many who marched against the invasion of Iraq. We were proved right, which at least means history will record the extent of public opposition - especially from the left leaners.

I’m so pleased to be more positive less dismissive of our government than many of the negative cynical posters here

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

This was one of the lowest turnout elections ever. Trump won by a small margin. More than half the country did not vote. What was glaring is the sexism, racism and misogyny in our country - that’s a lot of hate. So people voted for Trump.

Anyone who thinks Trump stands for freedom is severely naive. He is currently putting together a cabinet with Totally Unqualified People, whose only requirement is total loyalty to Trump, not the country’s Constitution. He is planning the dismantling of our government as we’ve known it for the last 248 years and with the speed of day one executive orders.

Trump is a totally unserious person when it comes to governing. His first term was a disaster as we all saw. The ONLY REASON he ran for a 2nd term was TO STAY OUT OF PRISON. No country should ever support a candidate who is a convicted felon. He now has a get out of jail free card.

Now the country and the world is watching Trump prepare for his fascist rule. His repeated lies that he will “save” our country and make it great again means nothing - the USA was always great and strong, a good ally to the world’s democracies - Trump is only in it for himself and to become the autocratic oligarch he’s longed to be. He shows no respect towards most of his supporters (who helped elect him!) because many are uneducated and certainly do not know of past world history. He has no use for these people unless they’d be willing to fight in the streets for him, if he says so. His threats to prosecute main stream media and journalists is a top priority.

You can always tell a person’s character by how they relate to Trump. That’s all you need to know.

The resistance towards all this is getting stronger by the day. Stay tuned. We live in interesting times.

Gundy 👍🏻

You can always tell a person’s character by how they relate to Trump. That’s all you need to know.

Indeed 😂

Thanks for telling it like it is, Gundy. I hope you stay safe over the next few years.

You can always tell a person’s character by how they relate to Trump. That’s all you need to know

Thanks for your post Gundy.

It’s good to hear an informed opinion from someone who is actually living with the Trump regime, and therefore knows what it’s really like … rather than those who think they know!

Tho you have to remember that there are over 73 million people in the US who voted for DT who will have another view to Gundy tbf.

At least it will only be for five years then it’s election time again.

I find it incredible to think that half of those eligible to vote between Biden & Trump didn’t bother! They’ll probably moan the most. Like those here who didn’t vote about Brexit. Daft really.

Looking forward to the midterms...
🤞

Did Trump only win ‘by a small margin’ though?
He won 312 to Harris’s 226.
He won the popular vote, every single swing state and he has control of Congress.
Pretty impressive surely?

It’s perfectly possible to not particularly like a politician, to fully acknowledge his shortcomings, yet agree with him politically.

This is how I am with Donald Trump, and of course despite all the weeping and wailing around the election result, a lot of people feel the same!

I don’t understand why that argument would stack up with the Republican win in the USA, but not with the Labour win in the UK JenniferEccles?

His control of Congress is by no means absolute. Republicans 53, Democrats 47. And Trump did not get his candidate elected as Senate Republican Leader - Scott came third in a secret ballot, and John Thune was elected.

"“Though Trump himself did not make his opinions about the contestants public, Thune's victory and Scott's early defeat will be seen by some as a sign of Senate Republicans reasserting their independence and electing a seasoned party leader trusted by his colleagues”.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2z8z7794yo

The House of Representative is even closer: Republicans 218, Democrats 212.

Controversial legislation could run into problems.

I just spotted your post Gundy, you might like to know that there is a thread on Trump and Musk ongoing over here where details discussed:

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1342430-Donald-and-Elon-two-immature-guys-running-the-entire-US-economy

Gundy. Do you follow Brandon Weber on Facebook? Sadly Brandon died a few years ago ( why does it happen to the good guys ) but his partner has kept the page going. During Trumps first presidency reading it was like reading about the UK at the time; sometimes I wouldn’t be aware that I was reading about another country. I can’t believe that he’s back.

All I can think is there must be swathes of people of ‘bad character’ in America then, Gundy One thing that really annoys me is this sort of generalisation. It is judgemental, ignorant and uninformed. Said my piece and will stomp off now for a coffee!

nanna8

All I can think is there must be swathes of people of ‘bad character’ in America then, Gundy One thing that really annoys me is this sort of generalisation. It is judgemental, ignorant and uninformed. Said my piece and will stomp off now for a coffee!

You’ve only got to look at the people that Trump is trying to appoint to see that Gundy is right. A man in charge of health who is an anti vacc’er. Whose idea of fun is to leave a dead bear in Central Park. Who doesn’t want things pumped into his body that might be unsafe but eats roadkill. A man in charge of defence who nearly killed a soldier by hurling an axe at him. Then there’s the woman who boasted about shooting her dog because it wouldn’t behave. If worrying that people like that will running the most powerful country in the world makes me uninformed and judgemental sobeit.

I’m talking about the electors not the elected here.

nanna8

I’m talking about the electors not the elected here.

But the electors want people like that to run the country.

The ‘country’ style of Americans is different to the city slickers from all I’ve read and shooting a badly behaved dog won’t upset them.We’re putting our UK views ( city views mainly) onto rural US states.
The anti vax thing sounds problematic unless he makes clear that it’s his own view not to have injections and not to deny them to the country at large.
Trump is surrounding himself with those he thinks loyal to him personally or those with similar views to himself.How this will pan out we will have to see!

It’s perfectly possible to not particularly like a politician, to fully acknowledge his shortcomings, yet agree with him politically.

How can anyone agree with him politically when he changes his mind frequently and in fact says nothing that makes any sense?

"Make America great again" is just a sound-bite, the kind of meaningless trope that was used during the EU referendum campaign.