The Guardian offers counselling to staff after ‘upsetting’ Trump election result!

Actually I think there are very few Trump supporters on here, some of us are just trying to explore the issues.

Terrifying to think that nobody is allowed to report from Gaza.

Really.

media reporters
In Gaza itself.

How they are managing to target them precisely is unclear.

madalene

No journalists are allowed into Gaza, so not sure how the IDF are targeting them in Gaza.
Are you saying foreign journalists are being targeted in Israel by the IDF?
I’ve seen many British journalists reporting from Jerusalem on mainstream British media (BBC and others) and they don’t look to be in any danger. Except perhaps, from the rockets being launched by Hamas and Hezbollah and even Iran.

No foreign journalists are allowed into Gaza.

According to some sources, Israel has allegedly targeted Palestinian journalists and media reports.

Well, that didn't take long. Lady Google is very useful, and you can check it for yourself, for example, 'Israel has killed more journalists in Gaza than any conflict in 30 years'.
So, yes, it can be dangerous to be a journalist in a war zone and, as the French found out, in your own office, and if people in power plan to 'come after you' then you have a right to be scared.

madalene, will try to get some figures for you. Back soon.

Mocking and deriding people because their sensitivities are different from the mocker's seems to be the fashion now

Agreed MaizieD.

I suppose, for some, it’s easier than trying to understand a different perspective. It’s what Trump & Farage do.

No journalists are allowed into Gaza, so not sure how the IDF are targeting them in Gaza.
Are you saying foreign journalists are being targeted in Israel by the IDF?
I’ve seen many British journalists reporting from Jerusalem on mainstream British media (BBC and others) and they don’t look to be in any danger. Except perhaps, from the rockets being launched by Hamas and Hezbollah and even Iran.

Yes MaizieD, there has been a lot of mocking and goading on this thread, but then there are a lot of Trump supporters posting. Could there be a correlation? Do they admire him so much, that some have adopted his rude behaviour?
Poster upthread mentioned the danger that journalists can find themselves in. It certainly is the case in Gaza, news of which has been sidelined just now. Suggestions have been made that the IDF is actively targeting them.

madalene

Maizie
I don’t think any, or at any rate many, people are saying Trump is a nice man. In my opinion, he is not, and he would not have been my choice. But he is the choice of the Americans.

That's irrelevant.

What I am saying is that some of the comments on this thread sound just like something he would say. 'Trumpian'

Mocking and deriding people because their sensitivities are different from the mocker's seems to be the fashion now....

GrannyGravy13

NotSpaghetti

madalene I'm not sure if you read the whole thread but this was only an email reminding staff of existing services and asking that they support each other!

My question is

would they have reminded their staff of their pastoral care policy if VP Kamala Harris had one

Keep getting the same answer, of course they wouldn’t!

Pragmatically, if Harris had won by a small margin and we'd had a repeat of 2020 violence - but worse, possibly, yes. It really is a storm in a teacup once you've read the actual email anyway.

The Guardian has a USA team.
It's presumably gone to everyone.
There is alot of media hostility in the Trump rhetoric and I suppose it's an obvious opportunity to remind staff that they aren't alone.

I honestly think that's all it is, Madalene.

GrannyGravy13 probably not - but GB news /Fox news might have?

I have read the whole thread NotSpaghetti.
I saw where you had reproduced the email.
I don’t understand why those at The Guardian would need any kind of support because of the result of a foreign election.
As I said, journalists are working everyday in situations much more challenging than those who are in the offices of The Guardian.
I said last night I was losing the will to live. I’m beginning to feel that way again.

NotSpaghetti

madalene I'm not sure if you read the whole thread but this was only an email reminding staff of existing services and asking that they support each other!

My question is

would they have reminded their staff of their pastoral care policy if VP Kamala Harris had one

Keep getting the same answer, of course they wouldn’t!

madalene I'm not sure if you read the whole thread but this was only an email reminding staff of existing services and asking that they support each other!

Maizie
I don’t think any, or at any rate many, people are saying Trump is a nice man. In my opinion, he is not, and he would not have been my choice. But he is the choice of the Americans.

No, GrannyGravy13 there is nothing to see here regarding the email to Guardian staff.

Your point about Whether or not a man with criminal convictions should have been allowed to stand for a second term as POTUS is probably a discussion for a thread on its own.
Yes indeed - that IS for a different thread.

If journalists can’t cope with the job, perhaps they could reconsider their position. People leave stressful jobs all the time, because the job is bad for their well being.

Luckily we have many journalists who show tremendous courage, who bring us the news from immensely dangerous places and situations. At the moment, the most dangerous situation for a journalist is possibly those who report from the front line in Ukraine. These journalists risk their lives to bring us the news. Over the years journalists have reported from some extremely dangerous places, just to bring the news to us. They have also reported from places where heart rending events have happened. They have reported from concentration camps, from natural disasters where many people have lost their lives, and they sit in court and report on heart rending cases; the ongoing case of Sara Sharif is a case in point.

I’m a bit surprised that people don’t see the difference. The election in the US takes place every four years. It’s newsworthy, but it’s not nervous breakdown inducing. We may not like the result, but we don’t like the result of many elections. We have to live with it. In four years time, someone else will be in charge.

Reading through this thread I find there is a distinctly Trumpian flavour to some of the comments.

Remember him mocking a disabled person? Calling McCAin a loser for being a prisoner of war, when he himself had been a draft dodger...?

Mocking and condemning other people's perceived weaknesses is most unpleasant.

NotSpaghetti

As an afterthought- as Casdon said ages ago - why is it even interesting how The Guardian handles staff issues?

As I said... nothing to see here.

There is actually something to see here

Whether or not a man with criminal convictions should have been allowed to stand for a second term as POTUS is probably a discussion for a thread on its own.

POTUS Trump has won the election, which was carried out under strict scrutiny by both sides. Reds and Blues slinging the proverbial mud and allegations around with gay abandon.

Whatever party loses in any election will inevitably go through a period of navel gazing.

Political parties around the world could do well to learn from the events of this week,

Jaberwok

The only time I remember the Queen even vaguely expressing disapproval was at the turn of the millennium when Tony Blair linked arms with H.M for Auld Lang Syne! Eeek! I don't think President Trump fased her at all. Remember Camilla winking??!! At least P.T. likes the RF, unlike P.B who made no secret of how much he disliked them, owing to his ? times great grandparents being Irish! I ask you, how ridiculous is that? I have Irish G.grandparents (County Cork) and I can't say that I particularly give them a seconds thought!

😁 that’s what it’s like with Americans if they have a tenuous link with ‘the old country’ and the same if they have a Scottish link going back hundreds of years, they dress up in kilts and have a Scottish Day during the year.As for Saint Patrick’s Day!

NotSpaghetti

Yes, we all remember that LizzieDrip
- and belatedly I want to give a "shout out" to schools, universities, workplaces etc who have used this as an opportunity to remind people of the facilities they already offer. The university ridiculed early on for having a "self care" space was referring to a common room apparently where there are drinks, cookies, lego and other games pens/paper etc where "people can come together ". It's reminding students about facilities- that's all.

I don't think this is truly radical "tofu woke" thinking. We had a student common room with drinks and board games when I was a student. It was under used on the whole but was nice to drift in if you wete at a loose end between lectures etc.

It wasn’t called a ‘safe space’ tho 😂
Lego? Colouring books? Milk and cookies? What nonsense.

The only time I remember the Queen even vaguely expressing disapproval was at the turn of the millennium when Tony Blair linked arms with H.M for Auld Lang Syne! Eeek! I don't think President Trump fased her at all. Remember Camilla winking??!! At least P.T. likes the RF, unlike P.B who made no secret of how much he disliked them, owing to his ? times great grandparents being Irish! I ask you, how ridiculous is that? I have Irish G.grandparents (County Cork) and I can't say that I particularly give them a seconds thought!

LizzieDrip

Oreo et al, remember Charlie Hebdo?

In January 2015, an attack on the Paris office of the satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo, claimed the lives of 17 people, including 11 journalists and security personnel

Not war correspondents - just ordinary journalists, doing their job!

Not sure about ordinary journalists tbh as CH was a satirical magazine not a weekly or daily newspaper.
A terrible thing tho, gunned down by Muslim extremists.
What point are you making LizzieDrip do you think DT will send in assassins to the offices of magazines?