Amsterdam attacks

It may have started out as football hooliganism, but it definitely ended up as antisemitism!

MaizieD

Allira

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

Neither the king, nor the Mayor were on the streets witnessing what was happening. Their information was second hand.

I prefer to take into account what people who actually saw and filmed the disturbances have to say.

Like a 13 year old kid, yes we know, you said.

MaizieD

Oreo

Israeli sports fans have been advised to stay away if possible from any sporting events in Britain and other European countries due to intelligence reports of planned attacks on them by pro Palestinians and terrorist supporter groups.

Well, that's a relief.

It will be a relief to Israeli Jews not to travel anywhere just to be attacked, yes!

MaizieD

Allira

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

Neither the king, nor the Mayor were on the streets witnessing what was happening. Their information was second hand.

I prefer to take into account what people who actually saw and filmed the disturbances have to say.

I prefer to take into account sophisticated cctv from a control room which observes through 100s of strategically placed cameras, positioned all over the city, than one 13 year old commentator and his camera boy!

There is an irony going on here, which won't have passed you by if you're an avid football fan like I am, (Spurs).

Ajax in Holland has always identified itself as a Jewish football club. There's a long Jewish history associated with it, and their chant before kick off is "Jews, Jews, Jews." Genuine Israelis affiliate themselves with Ajax, which has had several Jewish managers and players on the team.
So proper Ajax fans would be unlikely to pick a fight with the visiting team from Israel. Those on the streets attacking the Jewish fans were undoubtedly rent-a-mob who came in from outside expressly for this purpose.

Oreo

Israeli sports fans have been advised to stay away if possible from any sporting events in Britain and other European countries due to intelligence reports of planned attacks on them by pro Palestinians and terrorist supporter groups.

Well, that's a relief.

Allira

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

Neither the king, nor the Mayor were on the streets witnessing what was happening. Their information was second hand.

I prefer to take into account what people who actually saw and filmed the disturbances have to say.

Israeli sports fans have been advised to stay away if possible from any sporting events in Britain and other European countries due to intelligence reports of planned attacks on them by pro Palestinians and terrorist supporter groups.

growstuff

escaped

Mature debate should be able to distinguish between them.
I understand your use of the imperative mood, but who is not having mature debate on here Whitewavemark2?

That's not the "imperative mood".

Do not muddle football culture with anti-semitism or Islamaphobia.

Do not muddle critics of the state or political groups with antisemitism or Islamaphobia.

Mature debate should be able to distinguish between them.

Splitting hairs growstuff. If you read the whole comment, the poster expresses commands in the two sentences immediately before. That is the imperative mood to which I was referring.

growstuff

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are renowned for being racist against their own Arab, black and foreign players, long before the current war in Gaza.This is one example from 2014:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-football-fans-shout-f-arabs-palestinian-player-maccabi-tel-aviv-1459605

So that excuses them being beaten up by the Arab Ajax fans does it? Who had planned their attacks on Jews beforehand.
Not all Tel Aviv fans are the same btw and no footie fans are saints on any side.
The perpetrators will get what’s coming to them now quite rightly from the Dutch authorities.

Claims in a newspaper from 2014 !

escaped

^Mature debate should be able to distinguish between them.^
I understand your use of the imperative mood, but who is not having mature debate on here Whitewavemark2?

That's not the "imperative mood".

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are renowned for being racist against their own Arab, black and foreign players, long before the current war in Gaza.This is one example from 2014:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-football-fans-shout-f-arabs-palestinian-player-maccabi-tel-aviv-1459605

It definitely was anti semitic , no one here can speak for many Jews

It was definitely not anti semitic. Many jews appalled at was being done to the legitimate Gaza flags. If the little sh"t netanyohu thinks he can dictate protest in other countries he has another thing coming. In an ideal world yes people should not disrupt football matches. We need to address the root causes of the Amsterdam peaceful pro Gaza protests.
But Anti Israeli sentiment is not the same as anti jew hatred (which is clearly wrong), If Israel wants no protest it needs to stop occupation, disband the terror of the IDF and the cabinet needs to be charged with war crimes. All the hostages including those in the west bank and Lebanon have to be released.
Many European leaders are also deeply Islamophobic and they do not understand that Islam is a true religion of peace.

At the moment, I think both. A combination of factors. But I hope that can be clarified as charges are brought as strong anti-semitic element.

What was "Olé, olé, let the IDF win, we will fuck the Arabs.? Protests, or Anti Islam?

Yo think the attack in Amsterdam was a protest? it was antisemitism

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202411/medium-622483-screenshot-2024-11-10-at-21-57-55.jpeg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202411/medium-623420-screenshot-2024-11-10-at-22-03-32.jpeg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202411/medium-619000-screenshot-2024-11-10-at-22-06-43.jpeg

It may have taken place within the context of footie conflict, but it was intensely political from both sides of this terrible conflict.

Yes I am a "try to see it from both sides" and both anti semitism and anti Arab/Islam events were carried out.

Levels of planning when it's called "Jew Hunt" are clearly anti semitic and I expect arrests will follow as did the riots in the UK for SM plans - I hope so. but who is carrying the costs in terms of innocents killed in Palestine and now Lebanon.

Nevertheless, as long as the current Israeli regime continues some of its policies, these protests and worse won't stop.

Yes, unbelievable

😂
Oh nothing to see here, unbelievable.

I won't be both sidesing it. Football is usually termed sport without the weapons. Where the stakes high such as Derby and/or a cup match there is tension. The local police do a damn good job, from ensuring the rosta for leave is cleared, the cells are clean, the canteen staff are in, the command chain is briefed and overtime at the ready. The media has amplified a tension needlessly, Sky news in particular. greatreporter.com/2024/11/10/sky-news-loses-trusted-credibility-over-gross-misrepresentation-of-israel-football-fan-riot-in-amsterdam/
It should also be noted the Palestinians are a little angry and therefore feeling vulnerable as to how they are being treated by the Israeli apartheid state. Nothing to do with Anti semitism.
Martha Newson has studied football behaviour and when an underdog is under attack they will bond with each other and with a wider support base.
theconversation.com/when-football-clubs-are-less-successful-fans-are-more-loyal-to-each-other-153696
Nothing to see move on.

The King and the Mayor would have been fully informed, not
a 13year old boy. I believe it was antisemitism

True, Oreo.

The Mayor and King would not apologise without reason.

MaizieD

There is nothing bigoted about questioning the story of the events in Amsterdam which has been promoted in the media.

Isn’t there tho? There’s certainly something bigoted when people choose to believe only what a Dutch 13 year old says when 65 people were arrested and 5 people ended up in hospital and the Mayor and the King apologise for the antisemitic attacks.

Jews are not just one big mass of people who all think the same and there will be as many views as from anybody else on the war.There are many Jews who won’t consider taking up arms against anyone, peaceniks and those who think the war in Gaza is a necessary evil to get rid of hamas as a fighting and a political force and a few shades of other views as well.
Those who say ‘ah but I know a Jewish couple who say….’ Remind me of those who know one Black or Asian person and take their view as the only one.It’s kind of amusing but also irritating.