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Assisted dying bill

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Babs03 Tue 12-Nov-24 07:53:36

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Personally am glad that this bill will be considered and hopefully assisted dying will be offered to people who are terminally ill and want to die with dignity rather than in agony and with no way out, with loved ones having to watch their struggle and only have memories of this for a long time instead of the person the deceased once was. The choice should be there in a civilised society.

Dinahmo Thu 28-Nov-24 17:29:22

Farzanah

I don’t believe this Bill has been carefully thought through. The medical and legal implications are unworkable. The NHS and judiciary are struggling.

As to the “slippery slope”. If this Bill is passed, society will irrevocably change, and the guidelines, as in other countries, will broaden.
For example in the Netherlands children can opt for AD, as can those with a mental illness. Do those in favour believe this will never happen here?

Here's a little extract from the article referred to above:

"Neuberger said his experience sitting on cases involving assisted dying meant he was confident the tight terms of Kim Leadbeater’s bill – that it would apply to only those who are terminally ill – could not be expanded by judicial challenge."

But you believe that it can be?

I really don't understand why people with religious beliefs should impose their beliefs on the rest of us.

One reason given is that the sick person may believe that they are a burden to their families. Burden is a strong word to use - here's another definition"a physical load such as carrying something heavy, or it can mean an emotional “load” such as severe grief or illness."

Obviously the sick person, being of sound mind, will be aware of the "burden" or "load" that their family members are carrying whilst carrying for them. Surely it is down to those family members to ensure the sick person that they are happy to carry that load or burden because they do not want to lose them just yet.

I was in the nursing with my Mother for 8 days before she died from pneumonia. She had Alzheimer's and didn't know either me or my sister. I remember, after she died, walking away from the home with a feeling that a burden had been lifted from me. But it had been a burden that I had been willing to carry.

Smileless2012 Thu 28-Nov-24 18:07:33

Well I'm not imposing my religious beliefs on anyone Dinahmo;who are you referring too?

I'm a Christian, support the bill and hope it gets through this initial stage and my support has nothing to do with my faith.

Farzanah Thu 28-Nov-24 19:03:11

I’m a humanist and unlike many of my fellow humanists I do not support the Bill.

Farzanah Thu 28-Nov-24 19:05:16

You make it sound very simple *Dinahmo, but I do not think you are allowing for human behaviour.

Oldnproud Thu 28-Nov-24 19:24:22

Has anyone on here been contacted by (or on behalf of) their local MP regarding this vote?

To be honest, as our representatives in a supposedly democratic system, I think they should have been seeking their constituents' views on such an important matter as this and basing their vote on that. I don't think they should be voting soley according to their personal view on this issue.

Fleurpepper Thu 28-Nov-24 20:03:55

And the views of the majority of UK people. If I am correctz, over 70% support it.

Fleurpepper Thu 28-Nov-24 20:08:57

Latest poll shows 84% currently.

eazybee Thu 28-Nov-24 20:16:21

I am not happy about it. Five hours to discuss something so literally life-changing is insufficient, and it seems to have been rushed through.

Smileless2012 Thu 28-Nov-24 20:34:08

This is just the first stage, if the vote is in favour tomorrow there's a way to go before it can be applied.

Farzanah Thu 28-Nov-24 21:05:53

Fleurpepper

And the views of the majority of UK people. If I am correctz, over 70% support it.

How many would support the death penalty if there was a vote, but the majority are not always right?
Brexit??

theworriedwell Fri 29-Nov-24 12:38:53

Smileless there is no need to be rude. If this had been legal when Shipman was a GP he would have been one of the doctors approving this and even suggesting it. The lovely caring do tor visiting a patient asking if they've considered it. No they say and he replies with well everyone has a choice personally I wouldn't want a painful undignified death. So the seed is planted and left to grow. Will the other doctor spend much time with the sick person? Will the judge visit them and how much time will they spend with them? Those judges who are facing a massive backlog of cases or will it be rubber-stamping the decision of the doctors? We don't know and even if it is will that continue? I have read that the role if the second doctor approving abortion has become just such a rubber-stamping exercise. So yes you be rude about the idea that Shipman was not a one off but the fact remains that not all doctors are benevolent. I was sexually abused by a doctor when I was a child. He cared for my mother when she was pregnant but felt ok about abuse so forgive me if I am more sceptical than you but I won't be rude about you.

Heathen414 Fri 29-Nov-24 13:42:28

Several states in US have this for terminally ill who want a peaceful passing instead of long and painful.

My thought is should be up to each person if have terminal illness.

Dinahmo Fri 29-Nov-24 15:02:48

Smileless2012

Well I'm not imposing my religious beliefs on anyone Dinahmo;who are you referring too?

I'm a Christian, support the bill and hope it gets through this initial stage and my support has nothing to do with my faith.

Anyone or everyone whose religious beliefs want to prevent those who don't believe in their freedom of choice.

Dinahmo Fri 29-Nov-24 15:03:54

Farzanah

Fleurpepper

And the views of the majority of UK people. If I am correctz, over 70% support it.

How many would support the death penalty if there was a vote, but the majority are not always right?
Brexit??

Probably a lot but they often aren't thinking too clearly about that.

Dinahmo Fri 29-Nov-24 15:04:51

Heathen414

Several states in US have this for terminally ill who want a peaceful passing instead of long and painful.

My thought is should be up to each person if have terminal illness.

Exactly.

Rosie51 Fri 29-Nov-24 16:23:47

Dinahmo

Farzanah

Fleurpepper

And the views of the majority of UK people. If I am correctz, over 70% support it.

How many would support the death penalty if there was a vote, but the majority are not always right?
Brexit??

Probably a lot but they often aren't thinking too clearly about that.

But they are thinking clearly about assisted suicide? No bias there then.

MissAdventure Fri 29-Nov-24 16:27:28

Of course it's possible to think about two individual issues.
Clearly.

Farzanah Fri 29-Nov-24 16:32:59

So that’s it then. The Bill has passed the first stage.
That’s democracy.