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Sebastian Coe

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Mollygo Wed 13-Nov-24 22:31:53

He has said that the protection of female sport is vital and on his agenda if he is elected President of the Olympic Committee

Musicgirl Sat 16-Nov-24 11:32:15

David49

It really should not be complicated, your birth gender determines your eligibility for sport, it doesn’t stop you enjoying, participating or competing.
It does stop unfair competition, that should be the standard across all sport.

Well, of course. This is what the vast majority of us have always taken for granted, but, sadly, a minority of men who have gone through male puberty and are not quite good enough to win medals against other male athletes are now self-identifying as women knowing that their superior strength will give them an unfair advantage.
In my view, a lot of the problems stem from a few men who are resentful of the strides for equality that women have made in the past hundred years or so. They are still of the view that we should be housewives and concerned only with domestic affairs. Because we largely have no intention of that, the rise of the trans movement has been an absolute gift to them. Here is another way to put women in their place. A man only has to say that he is now a woman and bingo! He is allowed into women's toilets and changing rooms, prisons and hospital wards and, of course, sports; thus intimidating many women in the process. It only works one way. It is only women who are expected to give up their private spaces. Recently, there was an event where women had to use unisex toilets. There were still male only toilets, so men had twice as many options as women.

David49 Sat 16-Nov-24 08:31:11

It really should not be complicated, your birth gender determines your eligibility for sport, it doesn’t stop you enjoying, participating or competing.
It does stop unfair competition, that should be the standard across all sport.

Baggs Sat 16-Nov-24 07:52:12

Mt61

Doodledog

Good for him. I can’t see how any elite sportsman could take pride in winning a medal because of his physiology giving him an inbuilt advantage. It’s obviously about the prize money for those who do.

No, I think they are trying to prove a point!

What point is that, Mt?

Doodledog Fri 15-Nov-24 23:55:36

Mollygo

Doodledog

I think the only fair way is to have male and female categories, and anyone taking artificial hormones (or any form of performance-enhancing drugs) should be banned.

I agree, except there is no need for males to take hormones whilst they can just declare that they are women because they feel like it on any given day.

Yes. When I say males I mean actual males. The ones with male gametes. And when I say female I mean women. Not males who say they are women.

Mollygo Fri 15-Nov-24 23:37:40

Doodledog

I think the only fair way is to have male and female categories, and anyone taking artificial hormones (or any form of performance-enhancing drugs) should be banned.

I agree, except there is no need for males to take hormones whilst they can just declare that they are women because they feel like it on any given day.

Musicgirl Fri 15-Nov-24 21:55:14

Even if he was silent on the topic earlier on, he has nailed his colours to the mast , if he were elected, would be in a powerful position to stamp on the nonsense.

Doodledog Fri 15-Nov-24 18:08:24

I think the only fair way is to have male and female categories, and anyone taking artificial hormones (or any form of performance-enhancing drugs) should be banned.

Mollygo Fri 15-Nov-24 16:32:06

rocketship

The most logical solution is to have four sports divisions.....

Female.... Male.... Female to Male..... Male to Female.... smile smile

Yes but the cheats would say it’s unfair because then anyone could claim to be a transwoman, even the fastest male runners.

Cheating males (TIM) only like it when they’re racing against females.
Guess why!

rocketship Fri 15-Nov-24 16:27:55

The most logical solution is to have four sports divisions.....

Female.... Male.... Female to Male..... Male to Female.... smile smile

Rosie51 Fri 15-Nov-24 00:20:40

Some men (and women!) have seen which way the wind is blowing and are coming on board with fairness and protecting women's sport, amongst many other areas. Of course those that have been fighting the fight and getting the abuse are slightly (?) annoyed at the latecomers, but why bite the hand that feeds you? Late is late, but support is support and if the world is going to wake up and accept that no mammal has ever changed sex then surely that's all good? Like it or not it will be men coming on board that will reinstate women's rights. Never has this been truer.
That society believes a man who says he's a woman, rather than the woman who says he's not, is proof that society knows exactly who is a man and who is a woman Jen Izaakson

Doodledog Thu 14-Nov-24 19:31:51

Mt61

Doodledog

Good for him. I can’t see how any elite sportsman could take pride in winning a medal because of his physiology giving him an inbuilt advantage. It’s obviously about the prize money for those who do.

No, I think they are trying to prove a point!

Who is trying to make which point?

If you mean that some men are trying to prove that they can ride roughshod over women's rights, then I agree. I'm not convinced about the 'big strong man' and Great White Saviour' comments though. I think this issue crosses boundaries of male/female, left/right etc. It is about something far more fundamental than that.

Baggs Thu 14-Nov-24 11:17:33

Glad he has spoken out in support of women's sport_at last_! Took him long enough.

keepingquiet Thu 14-Nov-24 11:13:12

theworriedwell

Well we can all relax now the big strong man is going to sort it all out for us.

Oh yes, those big strong men. They are everywhere these days...

Galaxy Thu 14-Nov-24 11:07:54

To be fair I would rather that than the great whatever colour misogynist, thinking of Owen Jones, Alistair Campbell, I could go on.

theworriedwell Thu 14-Nov-24 10:01:49

Wheniwasyourage

If we don’t have men on our side over women’s rights it will be a much harder struggle. They are nearly 50% of the population, after all.

Being on our side isn't the same as being the Great White Saviour.

Mt61 Thu 14-Nov-24 09:46:04

My husband thinks it’s disgraceful, he can’t understand woman, like KH supporting it.

Mt61 Thu 14-Nov-24 09:43:35

Wheniwasyourage

If we don’t have men on our side over women’s rights it will be a much harder struggle. They are nearly 50% of the population, after all.

Absolutely 💯

Mt61 Thu 14-Nov-24 09:40:55

Sarnia

He spoke a lot of common sense on BBC News last night. He is very concerned that if the rules are not altered to treat all athletes fairly at their own levels and genders that women's' competitive sport will all but disappear. I hope Coe is elected but what's the betting that someone who appeases the woke and diversity brigade will get the job.

I blinking hope not.
Trump said he will stamp it out for sure.

Sarnia Thu 14-Nov-24 09:37:11

He spoke a lot of common sense on BBC News last night. He is very concerned that if the rules are not altered to treat all athletes fairly at their own levels and genders that women's' competitive sport will all but disappear. I hope Coe is elected but what's the betting that someone who appeases the woke and diversity brigade will get the job.

Mt61 Thu 14-Nov-24 09:36:26

Doodledog

Good for him. I can’t see how any elite sportsman could take pride in winning a medal because of his physiology giving him an inbuilt advantage. It’s obviously about the prize money for those who do.

No, I think they are trying to prove a point!

Galaxy Thu 14-Nov-24 09:35:38

There have been a few brave men who have been there from the start, Coe was not one of them but I dont think it does anyone any good to get into a purity loop on this.

Mt61 Thu 14-Nov-24 09:35:06

Rosie51

* Mt61* celebrating men punching women and it becoming an Olympic medal winning sport was a wake up call for so many.

Yes. Absolutely disgraceful. Even Caitlyn
Jenner, who I absolutely love, she speaks so much sense said it’s wrong.

Wheniwasyourage Thu 14-Nov-24 09:32:43

That was a reply totheworriedwell

Wheniwasyourage Thu 14-Nov-24 09:31:49

If we don’t have men on our side over women’s rights it will be a much harder struggle. They are nearly 50% of the population, after all.

Galaxy Thu 14-Nov-24 09:31:26

Actually women have fought long and hard for this, lost careers, been harassed, threatened, etc. The brave ones have been fighting for a decade. I could not admire them more.