“Dog-free zones in Wales”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/13/dog-free-zones-make-outdoors-anti-racist-welsh-government/

Not sure if people can access it but it's a rather typical Telegraph article designed to inflame rather than inform.

foxie48

"There are calls for "dog-free areas" to be introduced in Wales as part of the Welsh government's anti-racism action plan."
"One of the report's recommendations to the government is to create allotments and "dog-free areas" in local green spaces."

Taken from the sky News online report

"DOG-FREE zones should be created to help make the outdoors “anti-racist ”, the Welsh Government has been told"
Taken from the opening post and IMO a rather different interpretation.

Yes, you said that better than I did foxie48 - the way things are reported makes a big difference to the inference readers draw.

Reading all the posts it seems we just about all agree that dogs need to be kept on short leads in busy places.

I won’t engage with you Fleurpepper on this subject.

"There are calls for "dog-free areas" to be introduced in Wales as part of the Welsh government's anti-racism action plan."
"One of the report's recommendations to the government is to create allotments and "dog-free areas" in local green spaces."

Taken from the sky News online report

"DOG-FREE zones should be created to help make the outdoors “anti-racist ”, the Welsh Government has been told"
Taken from the opening post and IMO a rather different interpretation.

Casdon

Allira

A ridiculous pandering again by the Welsh labourites

I think it is a report by Climate Cymru BAME which is under consideration and may be used for further policy making

Yes, that’s exactly what it is. It’s not something which the Welsh Government has yet considered, much less adopted. It’s another of those stories which has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

... and some people with an 'agenda'

Oreo

Or, since we don’t live in an Islamic state, people of all faiths and none have to accept that dogs are a part of life here.They don’t need to pat them on the head.

Why do you mention an 'Islamic State'- why do you have to bring Islam into it. And it is my post that gets deleted!

Some people are truly afraid of dogs- some are British, some are Christians, or not, and some, because of the situation with packs of dogs in the country where their parents or grandparents grew up- have strong fear of dogs. Some may be Hindus, or Sikhs, or Muslims, or not.

Your post about 'Islamic state' is just so wrong and, yes, borders on racism.

PS I’m assuming it is the Telegraph, I can’t find a word for word equivalent to the passage posted online, and I don’t subscribe to the Telegraph so I can’t check.

It doesn’t say in the OP one way or the other Casdon I assumed that it was something just being considered, which presumably it is, not that it would necessarily be implemented.

It’s accurately reported on Sky News though Oreo, which wasn’t conveyed in the original post here. The ‘clever’ wording in which the Telegraph reports implies policy decisions have been made, when they haven’t. That misleads.

It’s being thought about, whether it will translate into action or not is a moot point but with diversity boxes to be ticked y’never know.

foxie48

Of course it is Casdon that's why it was in the Telegraph, Mail and on GB news. there's absolutely no evidence as far I can see that the Welsh government is intending to take any action at all. Could this be described as a "dog whistle"?

It was also on Sky News online and maybe the BBC, I haven’t checked the BBC one today, so not just ‘right wing media’.

Of course it is Casdon that's why it was in the Telegraph, Mail and on GB news. there's absolutely no evidence as far I can see that the Welsh government is intending to take any action at all. Could this be described as a "dog whistle"?

Allira

^A ridiculous pandering again by the Welsh labourites^

I think it is a report by Climate Cymru BAME which is under consideration and may be used for further policy making

Yes, that’s exactly what it is. It’s not something which the Welsh Government has yet considered, much less adopted. It’s another of those stories which has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited

Maybe not.

But a quick google will bring up what some Muslims think about dogs.

IMO this is the sort of bending-over-backwards measure that will IMO drive a number of people to vote Reform.

It already did.

Like you say, likely to get worse.

Or more violent.

I'm afraid of dogs so I try to avoid them where possible. It's one of the reasons I like Wetherspoons. We went to a Spoons for lunch this week and there was a man in there with a small dog on his lap. I felt sorry for the staff as they were unsure what to do. Rules are rules but there will always be the 'I'll do what I like' types.

Witzend

I walk almost every day in a large park where lots of dogs are off the lead for most of the year (baby deer season excepted) and have hardly ever had one jump up at me. So I don’t understand why some people evidently find it such a problem.
Do they carry sausages in their pockets, or what?

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Allira

The point of this report is that areas of countryside at present open to the public should become inaccessible for those with dogs because some people regard them as unclean.

It's nothing to do with jumping up, running off lead, it is to do with the religious thoughts of some that the saliva of dogs is unclean.

Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited

I don’t think you quite understood this, Allira. It’s got nothing to do with people regarding dogs as ‘unclean’, if they actually do! I have never heard of that as a reason, and if you have, I’d love to know where!

^ So I don’t understand why some people evidently find it such a problem.^

MrA got attacked by a dog a few months ago when he was out for his usual early morning walk. Absolutely no warning. As he passed the man and dog the dog suddenly went for his arm and pulled him to the ground. His knees, hip, elbows and hands were all cut from falling. He has a dicky hip so he could have had a very serious injury. Luckily it wasn't far away from home. I got up to find him trying to take off his trousers and jacket - both ripped by the dog - and had to wash the gravel out of his hands and knees.

He said the dog walker/owner was obviously horrified, so probably not something the dog often does. He saw the dog a few weeks ago, with a muzzle on, thankfully.

No, he didn't have sausages in his pockets. We both like dogs but it's made him a but nervous around dogs now sadly.

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Focus groups information
LocationDurationNumber of participantsMalesFemalesEthnicity
Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes 30 / 12 / 18Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic
Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes 7 / 4 / 3Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic

So a total of 37 participants, mosty international students.

It would seem like a storm in a teacup if the Welsh Government were not forming future climate change policy on the basis of it.

Focus groups information:
Location DurationNumber of participantsMalesFemalesEthnicity:

Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes301218Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic
Bangor/BACC centre90 minutes743Black African, Caribbean/mixed Ethnic

The research seems flawed and surely no responsible government would act on its findings without conducting
wider research across a larger geographical area.

The research was carried out in Bangor, a university town in North Wales.
Focus group discussions were conducted for members of Climate Cymru BAME and NWAS at a documentary screening and discussion event held on the 9th of September 2023. A virtual focus group discussion (FGDs) was also conducted for professionals and students in the environmental sciences on the 16th of September 2023.

Majority of the participants belonged to Black African (96%), and Caribbean or Mixed Ethnic groups (4%) covered age ranges of 16 to 65. The participants were mostly constituted of international students and a few long-term residents with 40% identifying themselves as male and 60% as female

So many of those questioned were international students at the university who may well be returning home again after their studies are complete.

If you read the OP, the whole implication here is that dog ownership is racist. What utter rubbish.

The fact that some dog owners are irresponsible cannot be equated to being racist.

It seems it was what came out of a focus group, a comment by one person so unlikely to become law but given the wokery bandwagon who knows.More tinkering with deckchairs.

A comment by one person being used by the RW media as a scare tactic, and, indeed, a weapon the their culture war.

Not worth the fuss about it