Trump wanting us to ditch Europe.

ronib

MaizieD Sheffield is not Port Talbot please note. Does Sheffield Forgemasters use coke in the smelting process? Much maligned by Ed Zero?
Since you clearly have information on who is trading or not trading on this vile product so proudly announced by Starmer, please do share as I have to go out.

No, ronib. It is you who asserted that the UK had a separate trade deal with Germany. An assertion you persisted in despite me, and others, telling you that EU member states don't make separate trade deals. You used the making of these gun barrels to support your assertion so it's up to you to prove that it is a 'trade' deal.

The issues of the morality of arms manufacturing and the carcinogenic effects of blast furnaces have nothing at all to do with your assertion of a 'trade deal' being made with an individual EU member state.

It was a big mistake Brexit. We can't go back now because the rest of the ECM would make us pay far too high a price. The only way is to try to build bridges outside of the European Market with the rest of Europe included.

Jess20

I remember living near an American air base in the 70s, wouldn't be surprised if the UK is being sized up as an American nuclear base 😟

The US started planning the return of nuclear bombs at Lakenheath last year.

You are correct Petra along with the fact that the US has had nuclear capable aircraft have been based in the U.K. since 1949.

The morality of arms production disgusts me as does what these arms do in war, but it's a reality.

We buy huge amounts of arms/war related stuff from the USA

It comes as no surprise that European countries would shore up their own and NATO strength. Government Defence Plans, as was made clear in the Gov.UK reference I gave back 2 pages ago.....
www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-uk-germany-defence-agreement-to-strengthen-our-security-and-prosperity

....... this is not trade as understood by trading normal goods and services involving independent businesses and producers of food or all the other myriad of products

The vote for Brexit was built on false impressions of life without the lunacy from Europe. My view is that it would have been better to have stayed and change from the inside than the outside. I totally agreed that there was massive wastage in the EU but my main concern was the erosion of employment laws. There was no plan made for what would happen after the vote or if there was - I did not see it.
Trump will only be in power for 4 years so any trade deals can only last that long- the EU should outlive that period
So i know where my alliance would be and it would not be with the USA

All the links provided suggest that there will be a half billion boost to the British economy as the defence industries of these two nations come closer together.
This agreement is the first of its kind and the UK and Germany will share equitably all costs and benefits unless otherwise provided for by the agreement.
To my way of thinking this is in fact a trade agreement since the Uk stands to gain a half billion boost to the British economy.

Jess20

I remember living near an American air base in the 70s, wouldn't be surprised if the UK is being sized up as an American nuclear base 😟

Probably, and isolated politically, geographically and economically, from Europe- be the prime targets in on the European Continent.

ronib

All the links provided suggest that there will be a half billion boost to the British economy as the defence industries of these two nations come closer together.
This agreement is the first of its kind and the UK and Germany will share equitably all costs and benefits unless otherwise provided for by the agreement.
To my way of thinking this is in fact a trade agreement since the Uk stands to gain a half billion boost to the British economy.

It would only be a trade deal if the UK were selling components to Germany.

Are they?

MaizieD with half a billion on the table, I would hope so….. but I think components are being manufactured in Sheffield and sold to Germany. But what do I know?

It's a joint venture. The two nations are collaborating on building ad developing tanks and arms. They aren't selling to each other...

I expect the half a billion comes from our government. Forge Masters belongs to the UK govt....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy808e4p9j9o

ronib
Just in case you don’t open MaizieD’s link, you can’t miss the heading. Please note the word agreement

I say "thank you David Cameron for asking a question that is so complicated that Joe Public didn't stand a chance in hell of being able to answer and then running away when it didn't go your way". Stupid is as stupid does and he really did a blinder.

Sarnia

Democratic vote by the British people to leave the EU. Nothing to discuss.

Democratic vote certainly… but by feeding the voters mis- and dis-information.
How can the voters have made an informed vote when the info supplied was suspect at the very least…?

I just can't imagine Starmer coping at all with a war if it happened. He has back tracked on almost all of his manifesto so I don't think anyone would know which way to turn.
IMO he's in the running for the worst PM we have ever had.

Talking about information and misinformation in politics explains why I got into something of a discussion about the half billion pounds worth of a deal with Germany. That might not be a deal but so on. I need to wise up ….

sazzl Starmer is bound to be out of the country when war kicks off…. Will he return is the question?

The Guardian today quoted Starmer doubling down on helping Ukraine - just like to point out that double down is a gambling term which means effectively doubling up. So Starmer wants to increase support for Ukraine not decrease.
The English language…. and communication.

I'm delighted to hear that Caroline Lucas and Dominic Grieve KC are taking over from Michael Heseltine as Co-presidents of the European Movement UK.. to push pro European ideas.. all those who are pro rejoining the EU can join this movement..

Liz Truss has declared that Britain needs its own version of Donald Trump and is calling for a right-wing 'revolution'.

She has told an audience at a New Delhi summit that she has no regrets about her 49 days in office. Apparently, the market backlash against her £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was all down to the BoE's failure to "regulate pension funds properly".

Claiming that the Tories lost the July election in because they “didn’t pursue policies that were Conservative enough”, Ms Truss suggested that her party will need to join forces with Mr Farage. (Source: MSN news)

I think that Liz Truss is best ignored.

MaizieD

I think that Liz Truss is best ignored.

She keeps popping up like a bad penny

No shame.

If we can just put Liz Truss to one side, exactly what is the argument about the Bank of England and not regulating pension funds properly? In what way is it improper? If anyone can explain please.

If we can just put Liz Truss to one side

Oh, please!
😀

You can all say what you like - But Liz Truss talks sense!