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The Farmers Fight

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Sarnia Mon 18-Nov-24 08:46:41

Infuriated farmers will be protesting against Labour's 'Tractor Tax' opposite Downing Street tomorrow. They are being asked not to bring farm machinery but I hope they clutter up Whitehall with every tractor and combine harvester they can lay their hands on. Reeves claims 'only' 20% of farms will be affected by her latest smash and grab raid but economists say it is nearer 70%. Has it not figured in her brain that if farmers, who already struggle to make ends meet, chuck in the towel, there will be a serious food shortage?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Nov-24 15:37:32

TakeThat7

Wow never thought Jeremy Clarkson was that cool just seen him standing up to BBC interviewer He said he was there to back the farmers and he suggested I think that BBC biased towards labour always thought they were biased and we have to pay so
much for the licence but don't see any admission of bias

I have just seen the interview between Jeremy Clarkson and Victoria Derbyshire.

Well done Jeremy 👏👏👏

Fleurpepper Tue 19-Nov-24 15:36:36

Proof in the pudding, Clarkson in 2010

www.facebook.com/share/19b9Kmz4jN/

TakeThat7 Tue 19-Nov-24 15:30:02

Wow never thought Jeremy Clarkson was that cool just seen him standing up to BBC interviewer He said he was there to back the farmers and he suggested I think that BBC biased towards labour always thought they were biased and we have to pay so
much for the licence but don't see any admission of bias

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Nov-24 15:14:33

(to rowyn).

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Nov-24 15:13:52

Shall we actually talk about the farmers, and IT, surely it's worth a thread.

chattykathy Tue 19-Nov-24 15:11:59

vegansrock

Maybe they should drive in their Range Rovers or their daughters’ horse boxes. Jeremy Clarkson and the like openly admitted to buying farmland in order to avoid IHT, so I’m putting my violins away for farmers. They should pay tax like everyone else. They can avoid IHT with forward planning like other wealthy landowners.

Totally agree. They're already a special case being given a £3m allowance, paying at 20% and 10 years to pay it.
The same arguments can be made for many businesses but the farmers want to be treated differently. Jeremy Clarkson and his ilk make me sick.
As for blockading the streets, the police should treat them the same as the Just Stop Oil protestors. The double standards on here is staggering. I suspect it's mostly an opportunity to criticise the Labour government.

Casdon Tue 19-Nov-24 15:09:16

Comments like that make you look uninformed rowyn. She has a degree from Oxford and a Masters from LSE. Strangely enough, Jeremy Hunt did the same degree course. Whatever else she is, she is intelligent.

rowyn Tue 19-Nov-24 15:03:56

You only have to read Reeves' employment history ( the true one) to realise that she just hasn't got the intelligence or experience to do the job, and has probably misled Starmer, which means he would look a fool if he now sacked her!

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:59:38

escaped

Wyllow3

Watched that, Fleurpepper. To me, definitely Clarkson using the genuine concerns of those on the margins to maintain the wealth of those well able to pay.
It's just a different world - land is a playground for him, and the concerns of the need to raise money for real social needs like the NHS/social care/Education a thousand miles away.

Maybe he'll change his mind now after his recent heart op. I assume it was NHS?

Probably if it was a critical care operation. Maybe he'll take time to consider waiting lists and everyday struggles to get medical care and also consider how it gets funded as he campaigns not to pay IT himself.

He could have said "yes those who can afford to pay should' but he hasn't, he wants IT removed altogether on land

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:58:11

Wyllow3

Sorry for shooting messenger, I can see you were replying GG13.

👍

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:56:21

Sorry for shooting messenger, I can see you were replying GG13.

escaped Tue 19-Nov-24 14:53:21

Wyllow3

Watched that, Fleurpepper. To me, definitely Clarkson using the genuine concerns of those on the margins to maintain the wealth of those well able to pay.
It's just a different world - land is a playground for him, and the concerns of the need to raise money for real social needs like the NHS/social care/Education a thousand miles away.

Maybe he'll change his mind now after his recent heart op. I assume it was NHS?

LizzieDrip Tue 19-Nov-24 14:52:46

Thanks for the video Fleupepper.

Clarkson portraying himself as a ‘saint’ - yet says, ‘walk into any of the offices round here. If you don’t understand what somebody’s job is … fire them’!!!

escaped Tue 19-Nov-24 14:48:59

My post was pointing out the amount of trips the PM has made since his election, as others had mentioned his days out of the U.K.
Actually a far greater number than I'd even envisaged. Not your fault for revealing the colossal number, is it!

Wyllow3 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:47:44

Watched that, Fleurpepper. To me, definitely Clarkson using the genuine concerns of those on the margins to maintain the wealth of those well able to pay.
It's just a different world - land is a playground for him, and the concerns of the need to raise money for real social needs like the NHS/social care/Education a thousand miles away.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:38:13

Stella14

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

madalene

where actually is Keir Starmer…….he is conspicuous by his absence

As he always appears to be.
How very convenient for him.

The PM has taken 14 international trips to 10 different countries since July.

What is wrong with a PM travelling for trade and international security and climate negotiations? Some of those visits were for very short periods. They total 26 working days.

I didn’t say it was wrong (or right for that matter) just giving details of the PM’s foreign trips.

Please do not shoot the messenger

So what was the point of your post? Do you want a Primeminister who is completely insular like Trump? Someone who has no interest in the country’s trading relationships etc with other nations? It’s just a silly thing to say!

My post was pointing out the amount of trips the PM has made since his election, as others had mentioned his days out of the U.K.

Is that OK with you?

Stella14 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:35:58

madalene

I’ve seen Starmer’s trips total three weeks, and five weeks, and now 26 days. Who knows the exact time?

Of course the PM needs to travel abroad sometimes, but this very new PM is noticeably away more than others have been. He needs to get on with the job at home.

He’s busy trying to repair the country 🙄

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:35:51

Stella4 that is your opinion of those of us supporting the farmers.

I formed my views after listening to two of DH’s friends who are working farmers, and know what they are talking about!

Fleurpepper Tue 19-Nov-24 14:35:24

Victoria Derbyshire at her best again. Yes, HE, very clearly at the time, said he was buying a farm and land to avoid paying Inheritance Tax. It is all out there on record, no question.

His face!

x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1858848536873279823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1858848536873279823%7Ctwgr%5E22e554da8d045bae31617d7006177d030a11746f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepoke.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fvictoria-derbyshire-magnificently-owning-jeremy-clarkson-at-the-farmers-protest-is-a-fabulous-watch%2F

96%? where on earth does he get this absolute nonsense- he MUST know it is utter lies.

Stella14 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:34:51

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

madalene

where actually is Keir Starmer…….he is conspicuous by his absence

As he always appears to be.
How very convenient for him.

The PM has taken 14 international trips to 10 different countries since July.

What is wrong with a PM travelling for trade and international security and climate negotiations? Some of those visits were for very short periods. They total 26 working days.

I didn’t say it was wrong (or right for that matter) just giving details of the PM’s foreign trips.

Please do not shoot the messenger

So what was the point of your post? Do you want a Primeminister who is completely insular like Trump? Someone who has no interest in the country’s trading relationships etc with other nations? It’s just a silly thing to say!

escaped Tue 19-Nov-24 14:34:31

*discussions back home

escaped Tue 19-Nov-24 14:34:07

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

madalene

where actually is Keir Starmer…….he is conspicuous by his absence

As he always appears to be.
How very convenient for him.

The PM has taken 14 international trips to 10 different countries since July.

What is wrong with a PM travelling for trade and international security and climate negotiations? Some of those visits were for very short periods. They total 26 working days.

In this day of telecommunications, Starmer could at least hold discussions when out of the country.
Sorry to harp on about France, but I've often seen Macron give lengthy interviews, and even televised lectures on home issues when he is abroad. Starmer appears to have switched off, literally.

Stella14 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:32:23

Jane112

This is a protest confected by the likes of Clarkson and Farage, the vast majority of farmers will pay nothing or very little, compared to the vast assets they are inheriting, spread over 10 years, that is fact. Increasing IHT for farmers will stop people like Clarkson buying large farms to openly boast about doing so to avoid tax, people like him are artificially inflating the cost of farmland and 40%of working farmland is now being sold to non farming investors as a tax dodge.

Well said. No one supporting the farmers will listen though. We are a polarised nation full of people who reach a conclusion based on a tabloid headline, look no further into it and won’t entertain any other view.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Nov-24 14:30:12

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

madalene

where actually is Keir Starmer…….he is conspicuous by his absence

As he always appears to be.
How very convenient for him.

The PM has taken 14 international trips to 10 different countries since July.

What is wrong with a PM travelling for trade and international security and climate negotiations? Some of those visits were for very short periods. They total 26 working days.

I didn’t say it was wrong (or right for that matter) just giving details of the PM’s foreign trips.

Please do not shoot the messenger

madalene Tue 19-Nov-24 14:28:34

I’ve seen Starmer’s trips total three weeks, and five weeks, and now 26 days. Who knows the exact time?

Of course the PM needs to travel abroad sometimes, but this very new PM is noticeably away more than others have been. He needs to get on with the job at home.