Putin lowers the nuclear threshold, as longrange missiles start to hit further inland

Biden is no more a warmonger than the whole of all of us in NATO who have supported Ukraine with arms and tactical support since the beginning with arms, and taking refugees into our homes. Cross party support from the beginning with no reservations from the UK.

I don’t like Trump but he’s not a warmonger.

If he wanted to use them Putin would have done so. He knows he can't, so this is a strategy to save face and keep land. He should have been stopped years ago and if Biden suceeds in bringing this horrible war to an end before Trump takes over then well done to him!

The bear isn’t what it used to be, as witnessed by not even taking back Ukraine in two years, emptying the prisons to use crims as soldiers and begging for North Korean help.

Yes this is my opinion - Biden/Harris wish to cause as much trouble and mess before they go! Typical equivalent of Labour in this country too. Labour realise it is doubtful they will last their full term. Hence, they wish to cause as much trouble and mess as possible.

nanna8

I think Biden is a dangerous man who has brought us to the brink of World War 3. He has poked the bear and we will all suffer the consequences. You can rail and complain about Trump all you like but he wouldn’t have done this.

Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Putin is threatening to use battlefield type nuclear missiles not nuclear bombs that decimate a country.

When a new president is elected why isn't the outgoing one removed from office immediately to avoid this type of thing?

'You don’t turn the other cheek with bullies. You smack them as hard ( or harder) than they smack you.'

and how does that work, in the nuclear missiles in the hand a multiple madmen in the world???

Wyllow3

Me too, for humanitarian reasons. It is worth noting

Russia has been using them them throughout the war in civilian areas

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/ukraine-russia-investigate-use-of-anti-personnel-mines-left-after-russian-occupation-as-possible-war-crimes/

Can't agree with "like for like" tho even if the Ukraine do avoid "civilian areas".

These land mines are a different breed. They die after 2 weeks.
I agree with like for like Your dealing with a bully. You don’t turn the other cheek with bullies. You smack them as hard ( or harder) than they smack you.

Me too, for humanitarian reasons. It is worth noting

Russia has been using them them throughout the war in civilian areas

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/ukraine-russia-investigate-use-of-anti-personnel-mines-left-after-russian-occupation-as-possible-war-crimes/

Can't agree with "like for like" tho even if the Ukraine do avoid "civilian areas".

POTUS Biden has now said he will supply and authorise the use of Landmines by Ukraine, he has asked for assurances that they will not be used in civilian areas

I am appalled at this latest decision.

Like others I believe there's little point worrying about this. Enjoy today as that's all we have. We have no power so can do nothing. We have been on the brink several times since the last World War and have pulled back. Let's hope this will be another time.

*NATO country

Heathen414

The Russian Foreign Minister said today that their nuclear doctrine allows nukes to be used against a non nuclear power which is supported by a nuclear power. Clearly refers to Ukraine and US. I see this as a final warning. Continued firing of ATACMS into Russia will see tactical nukes used against the areas launching the missiles.

I would think it's a warning to any NATO not just USA

I doubt the new missiles are going to be decisive for Ukraine, and Russia will continue his attacks on Ukraine without serious escalation.
The real change will come in January when Trump is president US policy will change - for better or worse, we will know then the future for Ukraine.

In Feb 2022 Ukraine hit arms depots, military installations and oil refineries.
The little mas response to this was:
no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our ( my) country will lead to defeat and horrible consequences
Blah blah blah.
Empty threats.

This is Willy-Waving of the most lethal kind.

Why do men in positions of power resort to deliberately pushing things to a cliff edge? It's ego and pride isn't it?

All this "I'm not backing down until he backs down, so there!" stuff, played out by Putin/Stalin, Biden, North Korea, China, throw MadMan Trump into the mix and we have a perfect storm.

Why do men act like Lemmings when they get power? Are they genetically programmed to only destroy?

The Russian Foreign Minister said today that their nuclear doctrine allows nukes to be used against a non nuclear power which is supported by a nuclear power. Clearly refers to Ukraine and US. I see this as a final warning. Continued firing of ATACMS into Russia will see tactical nukes used against the areas launching the missiles.

I think Biden is a dangerous man who has brought us to the brink of World War 3. He has poked the bear and we will all suffer the consequences. You can rail and complain about Trump all you like but he wouldn’t have done this.

Fleurpepper

very very dangerous indeed. What a terrible game of nuclear poker is being played. Anything could happen next.

Nothing is going to happen next Only the little man making hollow threats.
As for him knocking out 5 of the 6 missiles launched by Ukraine, the little man doesn’t have that capability.

Oreo

Putin can’t really want a war, nuclear or not with any Nato country as his war in Ukraine isn’t going well, he’s having to use criminals from jails and North Koreans to boost army numbers.
Am guessing he’s desperate now to end it with some sort of face saving measure.
He may bang a warlike drum in rhetoric but it’s all a bluff.

oreo way back at the beginning of this I, like many others, didn’t think Putin would really invade Ukraine. I thought he was bluffing. I won’t make that mistake again.

However, in order to remain sane, I do as GrannyGravy13 does and focus on things I can influence for the better rather than fretting about those way beyond my control.

Putin has been sabre rattling since the war started, when he found occupying Ukraine was not a walk over. I do not think Biden had any choice but to let Ukraine use its missiles over Russia.

Trump is prepared to sell Ukraine down the river in his pursuit of an isolationist USA. Ukraine needs all the bargaining chips it can get ahead of that - and doing serious damamge to Russia and occupying Russian territory is an important part of that strategy. There are also a buffer of states on Ukraine's borders: Moldova, Georgia, even Poland, who fear that given free rein Putin will want to add them to his empire. They look to the free world, which includes NATO, as a military organisation, and the EU, as a political organisation as their protection and while, I agree, that NATO needs to be less reliant on the Americans, than it is, but at the moment those border states need reassurance. It is not coincidence that after Putin invaded Ukraine, that a group of states previously resolutely neutral in Europe: Finland and Sweden among them, promptly applied to join NATO.

They could agree that Russia keeps Crimea, true, Putin already has it but it could be part of a ratified peace deal.
Crimea has a great number of Russians and is generally pro Russia anyway.

Oreo

Putin can’t really want a war, nuclear or not with any Nato country as his war in Ukraine isn’t going well, he’s having to use criminals from jails and North Koreans to boost army numbers.
Am guessing he’s desperate now to end it with some sort of face saving measure.
He may bang a warlike drum in rhetoric but it’s all a bluff.

I’m thinking, hoping, you’re right Oreo.
But as GG said, hostilities will have to end with Putin not losing face and Zelensky not losing land.