Oh Mr Starmer … could things be any worse only 4 months in?

Mamardoit

Syracute

Ilovecheese

I think a problem here is that FGT starts so many of these negative threads that it is hard to discuss the issues properly. I am no fan of Starmer but these samey threads are bit tiresome now.

I couldn’t agree more .The same smug people that twist facts to suit Tye arguments. Straight from the Daily Mail,headlines usually. Tories left an unforgivable mess . It will take years to clean up the mess they left!

What's wrong with starting discussions? Others do just the same but thankfully it is just a discussion not endless links to the Guardian or quotes from the BBC.

The same smug people that twist facts to suit Tye arguments.

What is a Tye argument please?
I don't read the Daily Mail, is it a DM columnist?

I voted Labour.
Am I allowed to criticise if they make decisions for which they criticised the Tories when Labour was in Opposition?

Please let us know what is smug and not smug so we know not to cross a line when posting Syracute.

Mamardoit

Grantanow

Opposition (as the Tories are now finding) is a lot easier than Government. It's early days for Labour and they have a sizeable Commons majority to override any problems.

That's true of course but the wheels have come off very quickly. Not helped by the freebies which show a complete lack of common sense. They really are as detached from reality as the Tories.
Voters will blame the government of the day. Many people feel poorer. Feeling poorer if you have a well paid secure job or retired on a generous pension is different from those just about managing.

They really are as detached from reality as the Tories.

This.

They seem, from what they say and do, to be a metropolitan elite.

Some of claims about being "working class" etc, Starmer knowing about farming because he once did a holiday job on a farm etc make them sound just like some of the Tories. As ludicrous as Badenoch's claims about working in McDonalds as a sixth former meaning she became working class.

They are all out of touch with real life.

Westminster certainly is an elite bubble. Not surprising when you think of how they are treated, rich doners, gifts worth thousands, food most of us would pay a fortune for if bought in a restaurant, but subsidised for them, subsidised alcohol, use of parts of Westminster for parties, massive heating allowance, all costs of second homes paid, travel allowances, private jet for cabinet members. Nice work if you can get it.

I’ve never understood the bleating by Parliamentarians and indeeed sometimes on here, that MPs are really not paid very well. Really? The £90,000 a year, plus all the extras, adds up to a very nice salary indeed, way out of the reach of many people, and they don’t need even a single GCSE to qualify. Everyone should be eligible to be an MP of course, but please remember that the benefits are way beyond what many of these people would be able to command outside of Parliament. Some would command higher salaries, but only some, and those often find a lucrative, if for minimal hours, second job.

Well said, madalene

I doubt that MPs would need to touch their salaries as they could easily live on all their expenses.

The prime minister is entitled to two salaries:
£91,346 for being an MP
£80,807 for being PM -
Plus expenses and subsidised meals.
Rent free accommodation and though he does have to pay council tax, the council tax is less per year than mine.

So why did he need freebies to clothe himself etc.

Syracute

Ilovecheese

I think a problem here is that FGT starts so many of these negative threads that it is hard to discuss the issues properly. I am no fan of Starmer but these samey threads are bit tiresome now.

I couldn’t agree more .The same smug people that twist facts to suit Tye arguments. Straight from the Daily Mail,headlines usually. Tories left an unforgivable mess . It will take years to clean up the mess they left!

Well why bother answering then. Scroll by. I remember the same re the Conservatives, always negative comments. Goodness me that Labour should suffer the same eh!!

When his son is revising for his A levels he will be able to make use of the peace and quiet of Chequers.

But Starmer beats the lot. He is the worst of the worst. Ghastly man.

Ilovecheese

I think a problem here is that FGT starts so many of these negative threads that it is hard to discuss the issues properly. I am no fan of Starmer but these samey threads are bit tiresome now.

Indeed. We understand that she is a Reform voter, and she hates Starmer. Is there any way to block people's comments on here?

nanna8

But Starmer beats the lot. He is the worst of the worst. Ghastly man.

Really? He hasn't managed to kill thousands like Johnson did due to his shambolic 'leadership' yet. He hasn't syphoned off billions of £££ to his mates either. I see the gov so far as relatively benign. But then I am not a farmer with over £3 millions worth of assets and a deep dislike of paying my dues for living in a civilised society. Of a lacky/toady for the above.

Calendargirl

I’m waiting to hear how Yvette Cooper is getting on with the boats issue.

She had plenty to say when Shadow HS, she’s not so chatty now.

Good point, very quiet on this front. Maybe another thing they've realised is very difficult to sort out.

There is no way to block people's comments on here.
It is called freedom of speech.

IOMGran

Ilovecheese

I think a problem here is that FGT starts so many of these negative threads that it is hard to discuss the issues properly. I am no fan of Starmer but these samey threads are bit tiresome now.

Indeed. We understand that she is a Reform voter, and she hates Starmer. Is there any way to block people's comments on here?

You just skip past anything you don't want to read and make no comments 🙈🙉🙊
That's easy enough. So why not?

eazybee

There is no way to block people's comments on here.
It is called freedom of speech.

Quite.

Why join in threads that annoy you then moan about the OP too?
Incredibly rude.

I used to think that the best way forward would have been a coalition government as then ideas from all sides BUT Clegg & Cameron spoilt that view. I can never forgive Cameron for the impact he had on closing down libraries . Thatcher sold off all of the services so we have more foreign firms controlling water, fuel and railways. Brown sold off gold at a discount. Is there any political party worth voting in ?

Inconsistant viewpoints from FGT2. She is very quick to chastise, if we lament that Trump has triumphed. 'We must accept the will of the voters in the USA', but here, where the Tories have been trumped by Labour, it seems to be a different story. Labour has a stonking majority, through the 'will of the people'. Accept one, accept all.

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Maremia

Inconsistant viewpoints from FGT2. She is very quick to chastise, if we lament that Trump has triumphed. 'We must accept the will of the voters in the USA', but here, where the Tories have been trumped by Labour, it seems to be a different story. Labour has a stonking majority, through the 'will of the people'. Accept one, accept all.

Yup, it's the biased commentary that's quite irritating. I would scroll past but I do feel that an alternative POV is needed.

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Maremia

Inconsistant viewpoints from FGT2. She is very quick to chastise, if we lament that Trump has triumphed. 'We must accept the will of the voters in the USA', but here, where the Tories have been trumped by Labour, it seems to be a different story. Labour has a stonking majority, through the 'will of the people'. Accept one, accept all.

It is possible to accept the will of the voters and criticise the Government, they are not mutually exclusive.

That's not fair.
* FriedGreenTomatoes* is not a muck stirrer, nor quick to chastise. I've seen her withdraw very quickly from unpleasant arguments while others carry on ranting. She is never rude about others posters either.

IOMGran

Maremia

Inconsistant viewpoints from FGT2. She is very quick to chastise, if we lament that Trump has triumphed. 'We must accept the will of the voters in the USA', but here, where the Tories have been trumped by Labour, it seems to be a different story. Labour has a stonking majority, through the 'will of the people'. Accept one, accept all.

Yup, it's the biased commentary that's quite irritating. I would scroll past but I do feel that an alternative POV is needed.

It's called freedom of speech.

You're entitled to voice your political views too, and have on occasion too, I believe.

Suzieq62 having a different point of view does not equate to being a muck stirrer

What escaped said. Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if it is different from your own.

escaped 👏👏👏

Definitely never rude.