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MaizieD Fri 22-Nov-24 10:42:11

FriedGreenTomatoes2

The only crimes against humanity have been those committed by Hamas, which deliberately sought to kill as many Israelis as possible, and makes no distinction between combatants and civilians.

As for the charge of “starvation as a method of warfare”, even UN officials acknowledge there is no evidence for this absurd fiction.

This report seems to contradict your assertions

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68679482

And this from the UN

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/un-experts-declare-famine-has-spread-throughout-gaza-strip

MaizieD Fri 22-Nov-24 10:37:32

X posts, OldFrill

MaizieD Fri 22-Nov-24 10:36:54

Another thing, how was it not noticed over the preceding weeks that something might be happening. It’s an important border. Hamas will have had to get heavy things into position in the vicinity of the kibbutz.

I have posted on this before. It was noticed well before it happened. 'Spotters' sent reports of all sorts of unusual Hamas activity near the border, but it was ignored further up the intelligence line. My source for this, BTW, is the Financial Times. Not a paper given to publishing alarmism, conspiracy theories or rumours...

(Many of the spotters died in the Hamas attack)

OldFrill Fri 22-Nov-24 10:36:13

silverlining48

It has struck me fir a while that it is strange that if the Hamas attack on 7 October was at dawn, why it took until early afternoon for the Israeli army to eventually appear. They will have been watching 24/7 anyway so should have seen the attack as it was happening. Many people will have phoned for help, yet it took hours until the Israeli army arrived.
Another thing, how was it not noticed over the preceding weeks that something might be happening. It’s an important border. Hamas will have had to get heavy things into position in the vicinity of the kibbutz.

"The preceding weeks" are well documented in MSM. The Israeli Army "Watch women's" warnings were ignored
I've listened to some harrowing tales on the radio from surviving watch women.
There is plenty of information online about the watch women
Despite many calling for an investigation, Netanyahu has refused to have an enquiry into the circumstances until the war is over.

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67958260

Anniebach Fri 22-Nov-24 10:35:44

Hamas was elected by democratic vote . Why are Palestinians
not calling them to account.

keepingquiet Fri 22-Nov-24 10:31:14

Mmm... seems criminals are ruling the world now. Are we doomed?

Netanyahu was elected by democratic vote. Why aren't the people of Israel calling him to account?

As for Hamas... they're no better but they were also voted in.

What a mess indeed.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 22-Nov-24 10:17:11

The only crimes against humanity have been those committed by Hamas, which deliberately sought to kill as many Israelis as possible, and makes no distinction between combatants and civilians.

As for the charge of “starvation as a method of warfare”, even UN officials acknowledge there is no evidence for this absurd fiction.

Wyllow3 Fri 22-Nov-24 10:11:26

Conservatives are saying Starmer should have refused to heed the ICC warrants.

I couldn't disagree more

GB news -
"Top Tories responded with fury after a No10 spokesman refused to rule out arrested Israel's Prime Minister"

Wyllow3 Fri 22-Nov-24 10:04:29

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Asked repeatedly whether Mr Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to the UK, the spokesman said he would not get into “hypotheticals”.

Downing Street also declined to say whether Mr Netanyahu would be welcome to visit Britain in the future.

If I were Netanyahu I’d just stay home. Job done.

I've also come to the conclusion that Netanyahu has gone well beyond defence. "Job done"? Should that include expanding into the Palestinian West Bank, which is not a threat to Israel, but land grabbing through settlement and then incorporation.

silverlining48 Fri 22-Nov-24 09:59:33

It has struck me fir a while that it is strange that if the Hamas attack on 7 October was at dawn, why it took until early afternoon for the Israeli army to eventually appear. They will have been watching 24/7 anyway so should have seen the attack as it was happening. Many people will have phoned for help, yet it took hours until the Israeli army arrived.
Another thing, how was it not noticed over the preceding weeks that something might be happening. It’s an important border. Hamas will have had to get heavy things into position in the vicinity of the kibbutz.

Wyllow3 Fri 22-Nov-24 09:58:59

As regards the headlines today, it needs careful reading. At first glance the headlines suggest, "would arrest" on ICC warrants.

Its "A spokesperson for Downing Street said the Government respected the court and refused to rule out he would be arrested if he landed on British soil"

But it's important to know which ICC warrants are relevant here as there are many.

They are specific to the starvation of citizens in areas of Gaza, not the war as a whole

The warrants against Netanyahu and his former defense minister Yoav Gallant focus on allegations Israel has used food as a weapon in its campaign against Hamas in Gaza, a charge Israeli officials deny

Experts have warned that hunger has become widespread across Gaza and may have reached famine levels in the north of the territory, which is under siege by Israeli troops

I think Starmer is quite right not to make commitments in a changing situation, but I am glad that war-by-starvation is being called out.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 22-Nov-24 09:44:47

Asked repeatedly whether Mr Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to the UK, the spokesman said he would not get into “hypotheticals”.

Downing Street also declined to say whether Mr Netanyahu would be welcome to visit Britain in the future.

If I were Netanyahu I’d just stay home. Job done.

Fleurpepper Fri 22-Nov-24 09:40:37

OldFrill

Tzachi Braverman, Netanyahu's chief of staff is being investigated for altering phone logs. Seems Netanyahu delayed acting when he was first told of the Hamas attack. Braverman claims he was "correcting" the times on the logs and hasn't altered anything else.

Yes, more than very suspicious. Which is why many Israelis and Jews all over the world believe what I mentionned before- that de deliberately delayed.

Macadia Fri 22-Nov-24 06:36:44

Well that sounds suspicious

OldFrill Fri 22-Nov-24 06:29:15

Tzachi Braverman, Netanyahu's chief of staff is being investigated for altering phone logs. Seems Netanyahu delayed acting when he was first told of the Hamas attack. Braverman claims he was "correcting" the times on the logs and hasn't altered anything else.

Macadia Fri 22-Nov-24 06:23:51

Bernie Sandars: "If the world does not uphold international law, we will descend into further barbarism,"

Macadia Fri 22-Nov-24 06:22:25

They aimed missiles at tent enchantments of displaced families. Reminds me of late 1930s

mum2three Fri 22-Nov-24 06:16:04

I wonder exactly what his intentions are, because his actions have gone beyond retaliation.
The Israelis have such a reputation for efficiency, I wonder how it was that the initial attack was 'allowed' to happen. They say they know where the terrorists groups are hiding, so I would have thought infiltration and assassination would have been more effective and avoided all those innocent civilian deaths.

Macadia Fri 22-Nov-24 06:11:05

Thank you, Trip3. My thoughts exactly. I just don't understand when international countries sit back and watch innocents murdered without any protests. Like Rwanda and like Germany. Over again? Ukraine. Albania. Narive America. Australia. Murder and genocide must be stopped somehow. At least reported in news headlines please.

Trip3 Fri 22-Nov-24 05:58:46

I agree that this is a very serious matter. Over the years I have come to very much sympathize with the people of Gaza. I've come to wonder just how many Palestinian lives a single Israeli life is worth. Per Netanyu it seems, the answer to that is at least 2,000 and counting.
Yes, I agree that the ICC should issue an arrest warrant for this despicable, power-hungry man. That he has committed multiple crimes against humanity goes without question. Bombing children, schools, hospitals, vital infrastructure and virtually all areas of domicile of the civilian population should not go without punishment, nor should anyone find such actions to be acceptable or justifiable in any way.
I'm also astounded that the international community is just standing by as Netanyahu expands his atrocities to other countries. Where or how does this all stop?

Macadia Fri 22-Nov-24 04:39:37

This is a very serious matter. How do you feel about the international community issuing an arrest of this man accused of crimes against humanity, genocide, starving civilians children and elderly disabled. Is he justified in responding to a terrorist group killing his civilians or has he lost his sense? Such a bad time with no foreseeable end to this terrible violence.