Netanyahu crimes

Babs03

Anniebach

Again yes there are

Annie do you ever say more than just the contrary to what the previous poster has said.
Can you possibly elaborate and actually bring something to the table?
A debate requires those taking part to put their side if things, and provide evidence or links to support their argument.
Is up to you of course but you can’t be expected to be taken seriously if you just keep giving one liners.

Personal attack!

I won't report but it is deeply unpleasant, the constant attacks on other posters these days by self-righteous Gransnetters.

Anniebach I think it’s time for either a glass or cup of something cheering.😃

Quote Oreo Sun 24-Nov-24 19:30:22
Hamas are the only ones to blame and as they were the government of Gaza who planned the invasion and killings in Israel then it’s all on their heads.

Allegedly Netanyahu knew Hamas were about to launch an
attack on Israel.

Allegedly Netanyahu chose not to act

Hamas are cleared

Oreo

There, that’s two lines, is that acceptable!

If that's what she wants to do then fine it is up to her as I said, but it doesn't do her any favours when people are trying to figure out what her real arguments are and what kind of information she has to support them.
But it is what it is.

Babs03

Anniebach

Again yes there are

Annie do you ever say more than just the contrary to what the previous poster has said.
Can you possibly elaborate and actually bring something to the table?
A debate requires those taking part to put their side if things, and provide evidence or links to support their argument.
Is up to you of course but you can’t be expected to be taken seriously if you just keep giving one liners.

It's traditional pantomime season Babs. And Annie reserves this just for me, it seems.

That's fine by me.

Annie, it is very possible to be desperately sorry for what is happening to the Palestinian people, without being a 'cheerleader' - disgusting term in the circumstances.

I have no pawns in this game. but I have eyes to see what is happening, and Jewish friends who are definitely not 'Palestinian cheerleaders' but keep me updated with other sides of this terrible 'story'.

Oreo

Hamas are the only ones to blame and as they were the government of Gaza who planned the invasion and killings in Israel then it’s all on their heads.

I said that Netanyahu is to blame for a lack of security, not for the attacks. That is not victim blaming because Netanyahu is not a victim those who were massacred where the victims.

There, that’s two lines, is that acceptable!

Yes, in this you are right, it is up to me

Hamas are the only ones to blame and as they were the government of Gaza who planned the invasion and killings in Israel then it’s all on their heads.

Anniebach

Again yes there are

Annie do you ever say more than just the contrary to what the previous poster has said.
Can you possibly elaborate and actually bring something to the table?
A debate requires those taking part to put their side if things, and provide evidence or links to support their argument.
Is up to you of course but you can’t be expected to be taken seriously if you just keep giving one liners.

Babs03

I think that somebody has to stick up for the Palestinians seeing as they presently being wiped off the face of the Earth.
So perhaps 'yes' there are more pro-Palestinians in general because they are being killed, starved, and displaced.
It's not as if people are anti Israeli, most are just anti Netanyahu and can make that distinction, but most can also see the disparity between the way Israelis live and are protected and the way Palestinians die. Therefore sympathies tend to be for the victims. And 'yes' Israelis massacred on Oct 7th are victims as are the hostages, but I don't see Netanyahu trying to rescue the latter, and the lack of security for the former is also ultimately his fault.

He was ‘at fault’ for the lack of security but it wasn’t his fault what happened, it’s a real distinction to be made.Anything else is victim blaming of the worst kind.

Again yes there are

'Unfortunately there are many pro Palestinian cheerleaders on this thread.'

again, NO there are not.

I think that somebody has to stick up for the Palestinians seeing as they presently being wiped off the face of the Earth.
So perhaps 'yes' there are more pro-Palestinians in general because they are being killed, starved, and displaced.
It's not as if people are anti Israeli, most are just anti Netanyahu and can make that distinction, but most can also see the disparity between the way Israelis live and are protected and the way Palestinians die. Therefore sympathies tend to be for the victims. And 'yes' Israelis massacred on Oct 7th are victims as are the hostages, but I don't see Netanyahu trying to rescue the latter, and the lack of security for the former is also ultimately his fault.

MaizieD

petal53

I don’t believe that. I think it’s propaganda.

Oh, for heaven's sake. This is a whole page of search results showing reports of the ignoring of the Israeli spotters who warned of unusual activity on the border and whose warnings were ignored.
Includes reports from 2023 by Haaretz and the Times of Israel. The Telegraph, the Financial Times and the BBC.

It took no time st all to find.

duckduckgo.com/?q=israeli+spotters+warned+of+hamas+movements+on+the+frontier&t=ipad&ia=web

The determination of some to paint Israel as whiter than white is deeply concerning.

Thanks Maizie - this is the sort of thing I mean - ie that they did know in advance of that attack.

It's perfectly possible for anyone trying to see the full information about what is going on to see this - even if they might prefer not to. Goodness knows - I'd prefer not to know my own country is at root of so much chaos. Yep.....someone like me...and as British as they come (to the point where I comment that I know it's common in this part of Wales for people to refer to themselves as "5th generation Welsh" = well I'm "5th generation British" (ie English going back on both sides of my family as far as I know basically - apart from one stray Dutch woman somewhere along the line a few generations back and a Scottish woman some generations back too).

So yep...I'd rather not think my own country had any part to play in this - but I'm afraid it did....

Nobody has said that BN is the best thing since sliced bread.
He isn’t universally liked and has questions to answer about lacklustre performance and other matters when the conflict is over.
The IDF are not trigger happy youngsters, that’s just bias showing.
Unfortunately there are many pro Palestinian cheerleaders on this thread.

There is plenty of evidence, which he is trying hard to hide, but can't as those who advised him at the very top, like his then Defence Minister and others- have got it all. He deliberately ignored, he deliberately went against all advice by his Defence Ministers and others at the top, and chose not to strike to stop them in their tracks.

Unfortunately no amount of evidence provided will persuade the Netanyahu cheerleaders. It just doesn’t make any sense. When Britain waged an illegal war in Iraq and various other parts of the ME I laid onto the Blair government and called our PM a war criminal and a liar, I have never been precious about our PMs because I realise they can be as corrupt and fallible as anyone else.
So I just don’t get why some are defending Netanyahu as if he is the best thing since sliced bread despite mounting evidence to the contrary.
He is a despot and a war criminal. And the IDF are not holy crusaders, they are trigger happy youngsters out for revenge and given a green light to do so.

The Bibi Files - screening in the UK from 13 December will make interesting viewing
www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/sep/10/the-bibi-files-netanyahu-documentary-toronto

From Chathamhouse.org

a massive 72%, rising daily

'Netanyahu remains deeply unpopular within Israel. In a July poll 72 per cent of Israelis said he should resign over failures that led to October 7.

The governing coalition is facing increasing criticism on Gaza, Lebanon and its inability to achieve its war aims. The longstanding issue of military conscription of the ultra-Orthodox community might yet topple it, or the looming 2025 budget debate, which will be difficult to reconcile.

In June, Israel’s Supreme Court struck down the ultra-Orthodox’s exemption from military service. The two ultra-Orthodox parties in the coalition could be left with no alternative but to leave the government to stop the recruitment process. '

There are so many other documents out there that say the same, and that he is responsible for allowing the October 7th atttacks to take place as he needed an excuse to go to all out war and destroy Palestinians once and for all, and take over the land once it is over. The 72% has probably grown since then, and friends who still have ACs and GCs in Israel are truly scared. And those who have ACs and GCs in regional countries and all over the world too.

Well, your prerogative, the evidence however, is clear and very easy to find.

True, I don’t believe you

Anniebach

No concerns that Jews will never have a place of safety ?

Yes, of course. What has been done to the Palestinian people is making all Jews much more at risk than ever. And this is the other tragic part of this awful war. Every single Palestinian left will be more of a potential terrorist than ever- because of what they have witnessed since this so-called 'war' started.

How could they forgive, how could they forget- what was done to them.

And yes, I know you don't believe me, but an increasing number of Jews in Israel, the West Bank and all over the world, are terrified of. And they totally understand why, too. And blame Netanyahu.

Allira

I didn't.

CariadAgain said it.
You defended her.

I didn't defend her at all. I didn't even quote her post.

I was countering the assertion that the story about the spotters was just propaganda.

It's about time those Israelis that still think it's their country (hmmm...) told him where to get off. They're in a very precarious situation anyway - from having stolen someone else's country

Clear enough.