Netanyahu crimes

Israel has a right to defend itself but not the right to break every international law about the care for civilians/refugees who should receive aid and be allowed safe passage before bombing begins, and certainly not starved and have no access to clean water or medical treatment.
Hamas may break all the rules but they are a terrorist organisation, whereas Israel is a first world. democratic country, an ally of he west, with one of the biggest armies in the region, with state of the art weaponry, not a rogue state, unless that is how they want to be described.
Also Hamas and Hezbollah are defanged militarily right now, despite sporadic missiles or gunfire, so an ideal time to call for a truce, but Netanyahu won’t have it.
So yes, he is now a war criminal.

It was reported last night, BBC, that the arrest of Netanyahu, if he visited the UK couldn't be ruled out. I said may well so if you want to pick holes in the words go ahead. Undoubtedly there are many on this thread and in the population at large, who would very much like Netanyahu arrested and put on trial.

I’d like to see Hamas members arrested and put on trial, but that won’t be happening either.

Oreo

How do you defend yourself ‘in a peaceful manner’?

Killing 40,000plus Palestinians, 75%of which were women and children is not 'defending yourself, it's genocide. Nor is starving the populace that remain.

How do you defend yourself ‘in a peaceful manner’?

Yep Netanyahu the cabinet and the IDF should all be arrested and tried for War crimes and genocide. NY is not on his own he has a fully fledged "democratic" govt (as we are instructed to believe by the MSM) . The Zionist state cannot identify where it borders are, they seem to be fluid. There are nearly 10K+ hostages being held without charge. The Palestinians don't have the same level of support as the Ukranians, they are unable to defend themselves in a peaceful manner. NY is an immediate danger to world peace. However this conflict is different; the biggest supporter in this instance has been not been muslims or arab leaders but those jews who have understood judaism and have known suffering. Especially in the USA where jewish students have risked careers to side with Palestine and occupation. The divide and rule policy of the west to create fissure between jews and muslims is not working. Because it is not about jews and muslims it is about right and wrong. The Jewish pro Palestinians are a bit more freer to express themselves rather muslims. The latter are accused of anti semitism at the slightest hint of being critical of the IDF or Israel. Notice how islamophobic interviews of muslims begin by saying "But do yoooooo condemn" with the emphasis on the "You"; fair enough but Zionists are never asked the same question about the IDF.

So which government is Madalene speaking for?

Just checked - the govt def not said that.

The US is saying they wouldn't arrest, France and Italy have said they would (Sky news, 10am)

When did our government say "they may well arrest Netanyahu" madalene? I thought Starmer had refused to commit himself to a yea 0 or nay on that. Has there been a later reply to the question that is more definite?

If Netanyahu were to visit the UK it depends on the then situation in Israel and Palestine. It's the only reasonable response to make.

As ever, the press and some of the opposition make much of an "it depends" answer, trying to push for some definite statement so they can then"Deplore". Happens all the time.

Thanks for your comments madalene you’ve saved me from typing them.
Judged by the same people then not only Hitler but Churchill and Roosevelt would be wanted for war crimes.
There were many difficulties with getting aid lorries in and out of Gaza, checking for weapons, the Egyptians holding things up at times and mass lootings.The latest looting of 100 lorries was carried out by masked men with guns and grenades, hmm not hamas by any chance?!
Wars and conflict is awful but sometimes necessary and mistakes are made but the IDF unlike hamas didn’t harm civilians on purpose.

www.timesofisrael.com/pm-vetoes-further-cairo-negotiations-on-hostages-war-cabinet-reportedly-not-consulted/amp/

Hamas and Hezbollah are greatly depleted, most if not all of their commanders are now dead, they were prepared to attend a meeting in Cairo to seek a ceasefire and so release the hostages. Netanyahu refused.
The time to put an end to this is now, any further hostilities are completely insupportable.
Netanyahu won’t answer for his crimes but both Israelis and Palestinians will reap a bitter harvest for this in years to come.

Yes indeed Wyllow, which is why it’s perfectly valid for people to criticise Starmer if they wish to, but some on GN think they shouldn’t. This thread, whilst about Israel, is about the action of our government who have indicated they may well arrest Netanyahu if he visited the UK. I don’t agree that we should do this, but maybe you do.

In any case, it won’t happen. Netanyahu did visit Britain after the Hamas massacred the Israeli citizens, and our government supported the Israelis, but he won’t be returning under our present government.

I've just said above you madalene that no elections can take place.

It's perfectly valid to criticise a regime/past regimes of Israel for its actions as well as respecting the right of Israel and its citizens to exist. You know that's where I stand from the long previous threads we've both taken part in.

Hamas were voted into power in 2006, was not PM in 2006,

No election can take place in the current circumstances Wyllow as you very well know.
I said fear because ordinary Gazans are terrified of Hamas. They execute anyone who shows dissent. Did you not know that?

Anniebach

Netanyahu wasn’t PM in 2006

www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

madalene

Anniebach

Hamas was elected by democratic vote . Why are Palestinians
not calling them to account.

Why indeed?

Fear?

With 90% of the infrastructure destroyed, and people in refugee camps, how can any kind of "election' be expected to take place?

Netanyahu wasn’t PM in 2006

I completely agree Trip.

He will of course never be held to account. His actions have far exceeded justification for the terrible events last October and accusing the ICC of antisemitism is ridiculous.

Anniebach

Hamas was elected by democratic vote . Why are Palestinians
not calling them to account.

Why indeed?

Fear?

Anniebach

Hamas was elected by democratic vote . Why are Palestinians
not calling them to account.

And Netanyahu supported the election of Hamas in order to split Palestinian allegiances.
Also how easy is it for a people fleeing for their lives, injured, dying of starvation etc., to even think of a political process whereby they can hold Hamas to account?
And not to put too fine a point on it most Palestinians are in no doubt as to who is killing them.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Asked repeatedly whether Mr Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to the UK, the spokesman said he would not get into “hypotheticals”.

Downing Street also declined to say whether Mr Netanyahu would be welcome to visit Britain in the future.

If I were Netanyahu I’d just stay home. Job done.

And I’m sure he will.

The war crimes in this conflict have been committed by Hamas and Hezbollah (and the Houthis and Iran.) Hamas committed an appalling massacre of Jewish civilians on 07/10/23. They murdered over 1000 people in the most bestial way including gang raping young women and tying whole families together and burning them alive. They continue to fire rockets into Israel every day, along with Hezbollah, operating from Lebanon. Hamas took over 200 hostages back into Gaza, where their broken bodies were spat upon and jeered at by Gazans. When the IDF were close to liberating six of those hostages, Hamas shot them all in the back of the head. Some of those hostages have been kept in civilian flats, the civilians being teachers and doctors. We know this from what we’ve been told by some of the hostages who have been released.

Hamas loot the lorries carrying food and medicines into Gaza which is why there are shortages. They have used their citizens as human shields by inviting them into schools and hospitals from where Hamas are conducting acts of war against Israel. Hezbollah do the same, siting their weapons beneath residential buildings and hospitals. It’s a tactic of war for propaganda purposes. From their point of view the more civilian dead, the better the propaganda.

The world would do well to address the real problem which is the terrorist activities of Hamas and Hezbollah. If the world addressed this problem properly, perhaps Hamas and Hezbollah would be irradiated and that can only be a good thing, for the Israelis and the Palestinians. Both Israelis and Palestinians need an end to this conflict, and I along with everyone else, would like to see peace in this region. Waging war against Netanyahu will not achieve that aim, and will benefit no one, least of all, the Palestinians. It is antisemitism in its purest form.

I think all western governments now know that Netanyahu has been disproportionate in his responses and broken numerous international laws with regard to recognising the rights of refugees. Even members of his own government and many Israelis - especially those with hostages still held - think enough is enough
To carry on now looks like a determined effort to eradicate all Palestinians in Northern Gaza and militarise it with the intent to occupy it at a later date.
This is increasingly likely.

And past and current illegal expansion into the West Bank by the current Israeli regime? (No one ever seems to answer this when its brought up as its no defensible)