Petition demanding a General Election

MaizieD

^Unless there is a party determined to change the inherent inequalities of a free-market-small-state economy, then it's pointless^.

Agreed, Dickens

It's very hard to persuade people that this is the real problem. There is very little interest in understanding how damaging this ideology is.

There is very little interest in understanding how damaging this ideology is.

... I've noticed.

Unless there is a party determined to change the inherent inequalities of a free-market-small-state economy, then it's pointless.

Agreed, Dickens

It's very hard to persuade people that this is the real problem. There is very little interest in understanding how damaging this ideology is.

nanna8

MaizieD

What exactly is a 'large section of the population' not happy about, nanna8?

You tell me. You live there. People usually don’t bother to sign petitions unless they are unhappy about something/ things. Particularly British people. There are obviously problems. I can’t see people in those numbers signing things here unless they were very, very upset.

As a raw number it seems a lot, as a proportion of the population of the UK it isn't. That's before we even consider that some of the signatories aren't British and don't live here, Elon Musk anyone?

nanna8

MaizieD

What exactly is a 'large section of the population' not happy about, nanna8?

You tell me. You live there. People usually don’t bother to sign petitions unless they are unhappy about something/ things. Particularly British people. There are obviously problems. I can’t see people in those numbers signing things here unless they were very, very upset.

I suspect that if another pub landlord with an opposing political POV had decided to start a petition months ago at the appropriate moment when the Opposition was the government of the day, he / it would've garnered a similar response. In fact, IIRC, there were continual outbursts / demands for a "General Election Now" long before the then PM, Sunak, declared one.

It's not difficult to sign an online petition from the comfort of your armchair. If the pub landlord who spearheaded the petition calls for people to take to the streets - wants to organise a demonstration, the number of people who would be willing to do that might be considerably less than the number who signed the petition.

The motivation of the signatories is what matters and I think it's a safe bet that many will have signed on the basic principle of opposition to a Labour government.

The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't necessarily follow that people are very, very upset.

Let's see what happens. If there are moves to organise a rally in central London at some point on the theme of calling another General Election, then the number of those who participate will give a more authentic picture.

Personally, I share Mr Westwood's (pub landlord) disappointment with Labour's 'negativity'. The electorate have been promised jam tomorrow for decades, but I will not be signing the petition. Unless there is a party determined to change the inherent inequalities of a free-market-small-state economy, then it's pointless.

MaizieD

What exactly is a 'large section of the population' not happy about, nanna8?

You tell me. You live there. People usually don’t bother to sign petitions unless they are unhappy about something/ things. Particularly British people. There are obviously problems. I can’t see people in those numbers signing things here unless they were very, very upset.

I think we could see this coming- and it is seriously worrying, and disgusting.

Wyllow3

Trump and Tariffs - some news just come out -

For starters he is willing to blow up the Mexico-Canada-America trade deal that he signed in his first term on day one of his second term.

What does a Trump free trade deal even mean now, if the new White House is willing to put tariffs on your country anyway?

And importantly, the rationale for these moves is not mainly or even much about trade or economic policy. These tariffs are about getting Mexico, Canada and China to alter their policies on crackdowns over migration and illicit drugs.

Trump is using tariffs as a weapon of diplomacy, even coercion, on topics entirely unrelated to global trade.

Are the leaders of G20 nations with their own domestic audiences really going to roll over in order to give the new president a win?

Europe and the UK have been spared for now. But it is important to reiterate that these moves are not even the real bulk of the tariff policy outlined by Trump.

Read on....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k808xdp18o

I did...

Trump is using tariffs as a weapon of diplomacy, even coercion, on topics entirely unrelated to global trade.

Exactly.

Trump and Tariffs - some news just come out -

For starters he is willing to blow up the Mexico-Canada-America trade deal that he signed in his first term on day one of his second term.

What does a Trump free trade deal even mean now, if the new White House is willing to put tariffs on your country anyway?

And importantly, the rationale for these moves is not mainly or even much about trade or economic policy. These tariffs are about getting Mexico, Canada and China to alter their policies on crackdowns over migration and illicit drugs.

Trump is using tariffs as a weapon of diplomacy, even coercion, on topics entirely unrelated to global trade.

Are the leaders of G20 nations with their own domestic audiences really going to roll over in order to give the new president a win?

Europe and the UK have been spared for now. But it is important to reiterate that these moves are not even the real bulk of the tariff policy outlined by Trump.

Read on....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k808xdp18o

The US has a huge export market - over US$ 2 trillion, I believe.

With 'America-First' the dominant motif, it's not difficult to imagine that Trump wants to expand that market and make sure those importing nations do not consider any ideas that might affect its dominance.

A Senator, close to Trump, has warned the UK - among other countries, that any involvement with the ICC's bid to charge Netanyahu with war crimes will see that country's economy "crushed" with sanctions.

- although if you crush a nation's economy, surely it would affect the purchasing power of those who might buy American goods?

Anyway, I think Trump and Musk are high on victory, power and wealth, two egocentrics who see themselves as Kings-of-the-World, not just America... Batman and his Robin.

One of the reasons given by Brexit voters for leaving the EU was along the lines of not being told what to do by Brussels - we wanted to make our own decisions.

Was that a matter of principle? Or was it more to do with it being Brussels? Because some of those same people that championed that principle, are now loudly cheering for Trump and his right-wing cohorts.

If we are a sovereign nation then, surely, regardless of the issue - we make our own decisions? Or is that different because it's America / Trump attempting to tell us what to do?

I think Trump's plans - if they go according to plan... mass deportations, etc, are a bit like the bull in the china shop, and will have a similar effect.

Oh, ok, thanks.
I do know the other one didn't but that's another story, as well as another Tory.

Allira

^Listen to David Davies explaining in 2006 how a Referendum should be run.^

David Davies? Are you sure? I know he was a Brexiteer but I'm sure I would have remembered if he did that.

It's David Davis (not David Davies, that's a completely different tory MP) Former Brexit Secretary in Theresa May's government.

I used to think that he was a good, principled tory, but he turned out to be a chancer, like so many...

Listen to David Davies explaining in 2006 how a Referendum should be run.

David Davies? Are you sure? I know he was a Brexiteer but I'm sure I would have remembered if he did that.

Need that link, spabbygirl.

Freda we objected to them being involved in Brexit and we can object Musk trying to be involved now.

You allude to India:

Its this petition (and almost certainly Musk getting himself involved) that's being noticed abroad including India - and heres' the proof:

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/petition-calling-for-another-general-election-in-uk-crosses-1-million-signatures-elon-musk-reacts/articleshow/115639114.cms

Sorry, 2002, not 2006.

MaizieD

What exactly is a 'large section of the population' not happy about, nanna8?

A massive section of the population is not happy, furious even, that the Tories have left the coffers empty, massive debt which is costing a fortune just for re-payment, and services all cut down to the bone and beyond.

For sure.

There is absolutely no case for a GE currently- NONE:

We have had 3 elections and 6 PMs, and 4 different Brexit deals. Several PMs were chosen by a minuscule proportion of one Party only, even.

As for Brexit- it was a fraudulent farce from day 1. Listen to David Davies explaining in 2006 how a Referendum should be run. Yes, it must be clear in advance exactly what people were voting for- and not even the Government knew it themselves

www.facebook.com/share/v/19Syx4TP7W/

oops, forgot the link www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/truth-behind-general-election-petition-34187365?utm_source=mirror_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=main_daily_newsletter&utm_content=&utm_term=&ruid=f8813d3f-e942-4d3d-a87b-b40d25224e2c

Grandmabatty

This petition is fronted by someone who lives in Sweden and a huge number of those who apparently are in favour, don't actually live in Britain.

I quite agree Grandmabatty, here's a link explaining it. The right wing media has been going nuts because they are being asked to pay more tax. The tax system isn't fair as those with less money pay more. It will take Labour a while to pay the debts of the previous gov'ts huge payments to PPE companies etc.
But we are already seeing the benefits, there are no more dr's strikes etc & slowly our vital public services will be revived.

There will be another general election - in 5 years time.
6 m people signed the 2nd Brexit vote petition - when is that happening?

I've just discovered Elon Musk is involved with this petition, The same Elon Musk who's involved with all the chaos in the USA. That made me suspicious to begin with. I'm also suspicious of the person who started this thread, particularly with a link included. Have nothing to do with it We've had an election. You may not like the result, I don't, but we'll have to deal with it. Politicians not keeping promises, that's nothing new. Don't you find it convenient that all this has started at the same time as the chaos in the USA?

Dickens

Mt61

Wyllow3

I don't think there is any appetite at all for an election with the public.

I know it was mentioned above, but Elon Musk using X to boost publicity for a UK petition disgusts me. Be very careful if you sign who you are *really supporting - his intention is to crash the UK*

Give over😩

Give over😩

... he's free to comment of course, but why is Musk so interested in what happens here - to the extent that he seems to need to keep a running discourse?

Why does he care what happens in our small island? Of course, we are a market for US Exports - over US$ 74 billion in 2023 according to the UN COMTRADE database, but apart from that, why is he continually plugging his narrative?

Thin̈k he's Interested because the UK MP ,whatever her name is, wants a petition to have him brought her for "questioning". I really don't think he's that stupid as to come along, and be arrested at the border,
Barnier and Verhofstadt tried to interfer into the Brexit negotitions I remember well. No difference, and freedom of speech is an American right, unlike ,it seems nowadays, it isn't here.
Starmer is making g the UK a laughing stock, even India is commenting in their news. Easily seen on Internet.

Its in no way equivalent to the 100 people who went quietly to help out in local democratic offices, who did not give interviews or public comments.

Musk has a lot of power and he's trying to mess with us, unashamedly trying to steer the UK into a proTrump situation whatever the issue.

For those who support him, how would we feel in the UK if a French or German major politician (plus X platform) started up in the same way?

We'd be outraged, wouldn't we?

What exactly is a 'large section of the population' not happy about, nanna8?

The petition will go nowhere but at least it signals a need for some sort of change in policies and that a large section of the population is not happy. Better than riots at least. As to Musk, it is really none of his business , equivalent to those stupid British Labour people going over to support Harris against Trump. I just hope there is no plot afoot to undermine your government and get Trump’s mates into power there. Could be, couldn’t it?

Mt61

Wyllow3

I don't think there is any appetite at all for an election with the public.

I know it was mentioned above, but Elon Musk using X to boost publicity for a UK petition disgusts me. Be very careful if you sign who you are *really supporting - his intention is to crash the UK*

Give over😩

Give over😩

... he's free to comment of course, but why is Musk so interested in what happens here - to the extent that he seems to need to keep a running discourse?

Why does he care what happens in our small island? Of course, we are a market for US Exports - over US$ 74 billion in 2023 according to the UN COMTRADE database, but apart from that, why is he continually plugging his narrative?

Wyllow3

I don't think there is any appetite at all for an election with the public.

I know it was mentioned above, but Elon Musk using X to boost publicity for a UK petition disgusts me. Be very careful if you sign who you are *really supporting - his intention is to crash the UK*

Give over😩