Call a General Election - Petition

TopGunner

avitorl

There seem to be very short memories of what a mess we were in before the last General Election. A lot of the measures needing to be taken now are because of the problems which were left by the previous Government .

So why didn't starmer say this in his manifesto, why did he lie and say he was not going to do this, that and the other and when he was elected, he did the opposite, he is not fit to be Prime Minister, he is a liar.

Perhaps because he didn't know how bad things were? Incoming govts don't get to see all he paperwork until they actual win an election.

Well the Brexit vote was based on lies such as the NHS would get £350m a week , we’d all be better off, British fishing and farming would be protected etc etc no second vote there. Can we reverse that? After 4 months the country isn’t instantly fixed from 14 years of chaos. Surprise surprise.

Throughout the 20th C only 3 govts got in with a majority (ie over 50%) vote. Thatcher's govt was a minority although I suspect many people thought she had a landslide. It really is about time that we a decent form of PR.

Those posters saying they’d welcome a ‘real’ Labour government seem , based on various posts, to mainly be right leaning.
Jeremy Corbyn is seen by some (not me) as ‘real’ Labour. He was only popular with a minority of Labour members, much less by the general public who didn’t trust him to represent the many not the few, or to defend our country.

foxie48

Absolutely bonkers. We are a democracy and the Labour party with Keir Starmer as leader was properly elected as the UK government for a maximum term of five years. FGS the Conservative government was an utter shambles at times but I don't remember anyone starting a petition to demand an election because the UK is a Democracy and in a Democracy we abide by the rules of government!

No he wasn't properly elected, he lied and lied because once he was elected he totally did the opposite of what he promised. He was elected under false pretence. Get him out now. Nigel Farage for Prime minister.

We had 14 years of nothing but lies, and Brexit based on nothing but lies, and deceit.

He has inherited a bankrupt country, bled dry for 14 years- he has to somehow raise taxes- even if he didn't plan or want to. Where is is going to get the money from?

Dinahmo

TopGunner

avitorl

There seem to be very short memories of what a mess we were in before the last General Election. A lot of the measures needing to be taken now are because of the problems which were left by the previous Government .

So why didn't starmer say this in his manifesto, why did he lie and say he was not going to do this, that and the other and when he was elected, he did the opposite, he is not fit to be Prime Minister, he is a liar.

Perhaps because he didn't know how bad things were? Incoming govts don't get to see all he paperwork until they actual win an election.

So why was he making all the promises he made in the manifesto without knowing what was actually going on in the Conservative party. You cannot make promises not to do things if you do not know all the details. What he should have said is that he didn't have a manifesto but that will all come to light once he sees the paperwork from the Conservatives.

The UK is all going to hell in a handcart.

Fleurpepper

We had 14 years of nothing but lies, and Brexit based on nothing but lies, and deceit.

He has inherited a bankrupt country, bled dry for 14 years- he has to somehow raise taxes- even if he didn't plan or want to. Where is is going to get the money from?

He can get the money from stopping illegal immigrants, stop putting them in 4 star hotels, stop giving them spending money, phones, food, if the want to risk coming to the Uk then they take that chance. They are leaving France, a safe country to get to the UK because we have a soft touch government.

They must think Starmer and his cronies and stupid, which they are. They could stop the boats coming in a week once the news gets out that nothing will be given to them when they land, they are on their own. Where are all these mens wives, children, they have left them god knows where so they can set up their own community in towns and villages.

Pure bile, so won't even attempt a discussion here- none to be had.

If Farage can't even be bothered, or is, as he says, too scared to do the small job he was elected to (but not to attend big rallies in London- go figure) - how would he run the country? Or get the money to keep services going.

Top gunner your post about asylum seekers is frankly disgusting as well as being ill informed . The question abiut why mostly men on the dangerous small boats has been answered endlessly. There is no point attempting to discuss this subject with bigots

I voted in the petition because I can't stand Starmer and it's not because of his lies. He 'took the knee' which I see as him trying to be popular for votes. He name called Trump which he now is backpedalling from and it could make trade with America more difficult. He rejected calls to ban arms trade to Israel. He signaled Ukraine could strike military targets inside Russia with Britain's Storm Shadow missiles escalating strong retribution from Putin.

Despite the denials Starmer knew about the black hole in the finances, or at least was pretty sure there would be one. He is naive if he thinks is going to be easy to remove benefits from those that don’t want to work.

Is he going to let them starve, is he going to conscript them into work gangs and force them to do the work that migrants do. He would need to increase the police budget to control the crime spree that will follow

I think the fastest way to get more people working is to improve the NHS especially access to fast treatment for mental health for young people. The waiting time for treatment can be very long.

David49

Despite the denials Starmer knew about the black hole in the finances, or at least was pretty sure there would be one. He is naive if he thinks is going to be easy to remove benefits from those that don’t want to work.

Is he going to let them starve, is he going to conscript them into work gangs and force them to do the work that migrants do. He would need to increase the police budget to control the crime spree that will follow

Detailed plans for this are needed before commenting, as its a big one!

ronib

I think the fastest way to get more people working is to improve the NHS especially access to fast treatment for mental health for young people. The waiting time for treatment can be very long.

Very much agree.

JudyBloom

Only 20 per cent of people voted for this tyrannical government, but they have gone back on their word and lied to us all so they are not fit for purpose!

Do you mean those who voted, all those eligible to vote or the total population some of who are not eligible to vote?

Fleurpepper

We had 14 years of nothing but lies, and Brexit based on nothing but lies, and deceit.

He has inherited a bankrupt country, bled dry for 14 years- he has to somehow raise taxes- even if he didn't plan or want to. Where is is going to get the money from?

No, the UK is not bankrupt.

AGAA4

People can sign the petition in their thousands but there won't be another election and not should there be. I didn't vote Labour and don't agree with some of their policies but they were voted in to power and there's little we can do about it.
Can you imagine the turmoil if we keep voting parties we don't like out after a few months

To me, this is the top and bottom of the debate. Very well balanced opinion.

I did vote Labour. Am quite disappointed about WFA - more accurately, dismayed, but there are going to be no miracles to turn around the position the Labour government find themselves.
I say ,let's hold judgement.

ronib

I think the fastest way to get more people working is to improve the NHS especially access to fast treatment for mental health for young people. The waiting time for treatment can be very long.

There will be more people out of work after this budget, unfortunately, according to the CBI. The hospitality sector in particular is still struggling anyway after Covid.

There can be no speedier MH referrals unless there are more trained staff. It takes years to train people.

LizzieDrip

^Not the 7 milionthat voted for them^

Hello??? Where did you magic up the other 3 million from Freya

I presume you’re talking about Reform - 4 million voted for them in the last election!

& there will be more next time round!

GrannyGravy13

OldFrill

Since Elon Musk shared it on X thousands have signed worldwide, so it's pretty much void.

I think you will find that you have to enter your UK postcode and valid UK email address to sign this petition.

I think you will find that not everyone is honest (sorry to shock you). Also there is concern about bots given how fast people signed, although there are supposedly measures in place that should prevent both input.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/25/how-an-election-petition-went-viral-starmer-labour/

I dare say bots will be playing a part in this petition, particularly now Musk is involved in it.

Allira but are we training more people in mental health? It’s possible to recruit from overseas too.

I don't understand why you'd bother with this.
It can't actually do anything.

Some Mental Health support roles take a year, nurses and psychologists or psychiatrists or OT longer, but yes - a shortage its urgent to address.

Have to see whether the CBI is right or not! The CBI wants the government to water down workers rights.... there are other measures which might help business - covered in this article

www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/25/cbi-chair-accuses-labour-government-of-treating-employers-as-a-cash-cow