Call a General Election - Petition

Allira

Milest0ne

NotSpaghetti

vegansrock

There was a petition for 2nd referendum - it got 6m signatures. Still waiting for that one. At least there will be GE - in 5 years time.

Good point!
And technically (though not in reality) that was an advisory vote!

I tried to find out how many people were entitled to vote in the Brexit referendum. I THINK there were about 68 million but the brexit vote went through on 17.5 million. Would you call that democratic.? I still only know of 2 people who admitted to voting for brexit

68 million would be the total population but not everyone is eligible to vote.

About 46 million would be eligible to vote in Parliamentary elections then, plus the 5.5 million UK citizens estimated to be living overseas, and potentially eligible to vote at the EU Referendum.

It was a relatively high turnout for the referendum at 72.2%

Milest0ne

NotSpaghetti

vegansrock

There was a petition for 2nd referendum - it got 6m signatures. Still waiting for that one. At least there will be GE - in 5 years time.

Good point!
And technically (though not in reality) that was an advisory vote!

I tried to find out how many people were entitled to vote in the Brexit referendum. I THINK there were about 68 million but the brexit vote went through on 17.5 million. Would you call that democratic.? I still only know of 2 people who admitted to voting for brexit

68 million would be the total population but not everyone is eligible to vote.

About 46 million would be eligible to vote in Parliamentary elections then, plus the 5.5 million UK citizens estimated to be living overseas, and potentially eligible to vote at the EU Referendum.

Allira

MaggsMcG

Pensioners paying income tax don't need WFA. It would have been so much dangerous if HMRC were just asked to cooperate with DWP and only those NOT paying income tax still got it. At least for this year anyway.

As for Brexit we would be the laughing stock of the world and the rest of the EU would take us for a vast amount of money if we tried to reverse it.

Pensioners paying income tax don't need WFA.

I disagree. Income tax kicks in at £12,571 and whilst any pensioners on the higher rate of income tax would not need the WFA, those on an income of £12,571 or just above might be struggling. It would be better to continue with the WFA for those pensioners rather than find that they end up in hospital with cold-related illnesses, costing the Government more in the long term.

I disagree as well, MP’s who pay income tax do not need fuel allowance either.

Iam64

It’s pathetic isn’t it
14 years of increasingly awful government but 4 months into the new government and the right are so very cross they want to overturn a democratically elected government
Trumpian

Many Labour supporters also disgruntled, especially those struggling without WFA. Or are they on the right as well.
Not the right, but just decent ordinary folk whose lives are being upskittled by this awful Government.

Annewilko

Not even 6 months into the job and some are setting up infantile petitions to have an election. I think the electorate made their feelings very clear in July.

The portion who bothered to vote did.

Not even 6 months into the job and some are setting up infantile petitions to have an election. I think the electorate made their feelings very clear in July.

Fourteen years of mismanagement, a disastrous Brexit. It's going to take a good few years to sort out the mess. Give them a chance.

John Crace in yesterday's Guardian

"It’s the logical conclusion to the disposable society. Don’t like the result of the last general election? Then just have another one. Who cares if the new government has only been in office for four months? If you’re not feeling markedly better off already then the new prime minister is clearly a dud. No matter that it actually might take years to turn around an economy that has been on its knees for more than a decade. Just never give Labour an even break. Keir Starmer is like a Premier League manager after a run of bad results. On borrowed time.

At least that’s what the likes of Nigel Farage and Elon Musk would have you believe. So thoughtful of the world’s weirdest man to take such an interest in us poor Brits. You’d have thought he had enough on his plate running the new department of government efficiency for Donald Trump. He could start by sacking himself. That would save several hundred thousand dollars.

The petition calling for a new general election has now got more than 2m signatures. Which is probably no great surprise. Far more than that voted for parties other than Labour back in July so they are probably no great fans of the government. What’s more remarkable is that anyone is taking this stuff remotely seriously. In this new world, anything you don’t like can be reversed within minutes. Apart from Brexit. That must never be tampered with under any circumstances.

We have arrived at the point where the wokest people are those who rail loudest against the wokerati. Poor Nige. Can’t manage another second under a Labour government. Of course, like most things Farage, he tries to pass it off as just a joke. A bit of populist mischief-making. But you just know that – beneath the surface – he’s deadly serious. Because if there was any chance of blagging a general election through the petition, he’d take it.

To cap the sense of the surreal, Starmer was even asked about the petition when he turned up on the This Morning sofa on Monday. He had been there ostensibly to talk about making spiking drinks illegal. “I know it’s already illegal,” he said. “But I am determined to make it even more illegal.” That should do it. Still, he treated the petition with the contempt it deserved. As far as he knew, the UK still had a constitutional limit of a five-year parliament and so far we were just four months in. Elon is going to be devastated."

HousePlantQueen

Fleurpepper

The massive irony is that most of the people signing this are the very same who voted for Brexit, based on lies, more lies, and lots of lies on top. And then went on and on about Democracy and tradition- and seem to not even have a single clue about British Parliamentary Democracy. Oh where Referendums are just part of- and like the Brexit one, not binding. Quite unbelievable.

Yes, and those of us unhappy about the Brexit result and the lies told and the false promises made were told (rudely) to "suck it up", "get over it", " if you love Europe that much, why not just move there", told we were unpatriotic. So, you know what, I am not interested in a handful of Brexit/Reform voters now moaning that it's not fair. Labour won, get over it

What is interesting is that those signing the petition are still believing the lies of the ringleaders.

Petition won't make the slightest bit of difference, they never have and they never will. Any more than protest marches do.

A handful of MPs will 'debate' this petition in Westminster Hall and an anodyne response will be published.

Yes, and those of us unhappy about the Brexit result and the lies told and the false promises made were told (rudely) to "suck it up", "get over it", " if you love Europe that much, why not just move there", told we were unpatriotic. So, you know what, I am not interested in a handful of Brexit / Reform voters now moaning that it's not fair. Labour won, get over it

Hear, hear HPQ 👏👏👏

Fleurpepper

The massive irony is that most of the people signing this are the very same who voted for Brexit, based on lies, more lies, and lots of lies on top. And then went on and on about Democracy and tradition- and seem to not even have a single clue about British Parliamentary Democracy. Oh where Referendums are just part of- and like the Brexit one, not binding. Quite unbelievable.

Yes, and those of us unhappy about the Brexit result and the lies told and the false promises made were told (rudely) to "suck it up", "get over it", " if you love Europe that much, why not just move there", told we were unpatriotic. So, you know what, I am not interested in a handful of Brexit/Reform voters now moaning that it's not fair. Labour won, get over it

Sorry, Milestone, 68 million is the total population. There are about 45 million people eligible to vote.

In 2019 a petition calling for the government to ‘Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU’ garnered over 6 million votes.

It was the most-signed government petition in history.

Did anyone take a blind bit of notice - NO.

Election moaners … welcome to the world many of us have inhabited for the past 14 years!

NotSpaghetti

vegansrock

There was a petition for 2nd referendum - it got 6m signatures. Still waiting for that one. At least there will be GE - in 5 years time.

Good point!
And technically (though not in reality) that was an advisory vote!

I tried to find out how many people were entitled to vote in the Brexit referendum. I THINK there were about 68 million but the brexit vote went through on 17.5 million. Would you call that democratic.? I still only know of 2 people who admitted to voting for brexit

MaggsMcG

Pensioners paying income tax don't need WFA. It would have been so much dangerous if HMRC were just asked to cooperate with DWP and only those NOT paying income tax still got it. At least for this year anyway.

As for Brexit we would be the laughing stock of the world and the rest of the EU would take us for a vast amount of money if we tried to reverse it.

Pensioners paying income tax don't need WFA.

I disagree. Income tax kicks in at £12,571 and whilst any pensioners on the higher rate of income tax would not need the WFA, those on an income of £12,571 or just above might be struggling. It would be better to continue with the WFA for those pensioners rather than find that they end up in hospital with cold-related illnesses, costing the Government more in the long term.

It's just a peaceful protest. I don't see a problem!

Freya5

avitorl

There seem to be very short memories of what a mess we were in before the last General Election. A lot of the measures needing to be taken now are because of the problems which were left by the previous Government .

Really, money laid by for projects in planning under the Conservatives, well it's become a a bigger mess under Labour, massive pay rises to already very well paid train drivers. The Dr's yes, but they're going on strike again in January, they now know they can hold the Gov to ransom. Billions to Africa, one of the first things they did, not necessary, while in the meantime helping destroy family farms and eventually our food supplies, whilst encouraging cheap tasteless imports from abroad. Taking money from people who were born here, and helped to build this country, many of them now feeling the cold,. Asylum bill rising exponentially, these people are so happy Labour are in, they said so in Calais, no disincentive now , is there. If you think this is a good thing, there is no hope for this country under a Labour Government.

Well said Freya5 . There is definitely no hope under this Labour government. The rich will just leave, the laziest will just carry on claiming benefit after benefit and the hard working middle classes will be screwed within an inch of their lives. No incentive to work hard and save at all.

HousePlantQueen

avitorl

There seem to be very short memories of what a mess we were in before the last General Election. A lot of the measures needing to be taken now are because of the problems which were left by the previous Government .

I agree. Just what on earth do people think the Tories will do ?

Or anyone else? Nigel Farage for instance? Better the devil you know----

Fleurpepper

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it is revealed that the election petition has been signed by people from 184 countries - a British record for bot-interference! 😂😂

This is just utterly ridiculous - a silly baseless petition to replace a democratically elected government with an opposition Tory party that is lost in outer space

Exactly so.

The vulnerable need protecting from those willing to mislead.

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it is revealed that the election petition has been signed by people from 184 countries - a British record for bot-interference! 😂😂

This is just utterly ridiculous - a silly baseless petition to replace a democratically elected government with an opposition Tory party that is lost in outer space

Sorry rowyn Parliament does NOT have to hold a debate, it will only be "considered" for a debate if it gets more than 100,000 signatures ( source petition.parliament.uk ). The petition was started by a Tory voting pub landlord, and the majority of the signatories are concentrated in conservative or Reform safe seats ( what a surprise!) ( source independent.co.uk ).

4 Months.

That is how long this government has been in power.

The Tories had over a decade to completely trash our public services and economy, and they did so with skill and thoroughness.

This petition is undoubtedly being fuelled by Musk. The vulnerable are being led by the nose.

But nothing will come of it as we all know.

Not dangerous fairer blinking predictive text.

Pensioners paying income tax don't need WFA. It would have been so much dangerous if HMRC were just asked to cooperate with DWP and only those NOT paying income tax still got it. At least for this year anyway.

As for Brexit we would be the laughing stock of the world and the rest of the EU would take us for a vast amount of money if we tried to reverse it.

Oh, so presumably there is a list of people who have signed this petition which compares with the people who voted to leave the EU? Otherwise, how would you know?

I thought voting in elections and referenda was by secret ballot in the UK?
Although I do know that there are methods by which fraud can be detected.