Ministers considering stripping NHS England of powers with aim of streamlining health service.

growstuff

PoliticsNerd

Thank you Growstuff. Demos is a think tank started by a Marxist and based in the USA. I will read it with care :-)

Demos isn't based in the US.

Growstuffyou are right, Demos is UK, I just posted up thread the details - and the references to check out.

There is a US "Demos" hence the confusion

PoliticsNerd

I thought we knew that the government intended to move more primary care into communities. I thought that a good idea, personally.

Primary care is already in communities.

It's more about better integration, considering outcomes in a different way and more long-term planning than short-term-solutions. The report (if that's the right one) isn't just about the NHS.

PoliticsNerd

Thank you Growstuff. Demos is a think tank started by a Marxist and based in the USA. I will read it with care :-)

Demos isn't based in the US.

PoliticsNerd

I thought we knew that the government intended to move more primary care into communities. I thought that a good idea, personally.

"Care in the community" That was ranslated many years ago as "Get middle-aged women to take on more, they don't have enough to do looking after their elderly parents while taking on childcare for their greandchildren, doing their own housework and gardening, and working, plus, of course, in their spare time, volunteering in charity shops and hospital visiting, serving on local committees, organising local initiatives to clear litter and so on, baking for church events and doing all the other things that no-one else steps forward for."

What spare time?

It's yet another report about the NHS. There have been several over the past tear or two. It doesn't necessarily mean that it will be implemented. I'm not sure where the 'ministers are considering it' bit came from. There is supposed to be a public consultation about the NHS ongoing. Is this a submission to the consultation?

Amanda Pritchard's salary and public profile have nothing to do with it.

What is concerning me at the moment is the evidence of the incompetence, and what looks like bloody mindedness, of some public officials (from the government downwards) during the covid crisis which contributed thousands of unnecessary deaths and an ongoing health crisis which is being ignored.

If this is the quality of people appointed to be responsible for the health of the nation then no amount of reports are going to address the flaws in the NHS.

PoliticsNerd

Thank you Growstuff. Demos is a think tank started by a Marxist and based in the USA. I will read it with care :-)

Demos is based in the UK and has cross party involvement
demos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Demos-Group-Accounts-Final-31.12.20.pdf

The USA Demos think tank is separate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demos_(U.S._think_tank)

I thought we knew that the government intended to move more primary care into communities. I thought that a good idea, personally.

Thank you Growstuff. Demos is a think tank started by a Marxist and based in the USA. I will read it with care :-)

I wish we had the NHS here. For all its defects it is a good service. Here I think very hard before going to the doctors because it is expensive. As for hospital treatment the private sector only covers a certain amount, the rest you have to fork out. A lot. Public hospitals are free but you wait and wait and wait.

Casdon

Here’s the report.
demos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/The-Motivational-State_2024_Nov.pdf
There’s an awful lot of waffle in it, but from a skim read the impact would be on empowering patients to make their own choices about care at home. I take it from that that the Lical Authorities would be given the funding for community healthcare services, so that they become fully integrated services. I haven’t got time now but I’ll read it properly later. At first glance it has very little to do with Amanda Pritchard’s role, other than reducing her remit, but I may have missed something.

Thanks for the link Casdon. I couldn't find it, although I admit I didn't look very hard.

I'll make myself another cup of coffee and read it (will I need two cups?)

Thanks growstuff I wasn’t paying full attention, multi tasking as usual first thing.

Here’s the report.
demos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/The-Motivational-State_2024_Nov.pdf
There’s an awful lot of waffle in it, but from a skim read the impact would be on empowering patients to make their own choices about care at home. I take it from that that the Lical Authorities would be given the funding for community healthcare services, so that they become fully integrated services. I haven’t got time now but I’ll read it properly later. At first glance it has very little to do with Amanda Pritchard’s role, other than reducing her remit, but I may have missed something.

This proposal isn't new at all and as Growstuff says is still in the making. I would except announcements when there is a definite plan. I wouldn't expect - in fact I think it would be most inappropriate regular announcements on "what might be done".

Amanda Prichard has an X account and regularly posts on it. Bits accessible to all just by googling Amanda Prichard.

In fact on one of them 19th November she says "share your ideas to help build a health service fit for the future" change.nhs.uk

change.nhs.uk/en-GB/

I would suggest that this is a typical "why aren't they, "why isn't he/she" no news headline. She's been in post some time and her salary is commensurate with the responsibility.

In 2023 google tells me me that in 2023, the average pay for a UK CEO was around £900,000. she earns a fraction of that.

www.economicsobservatory.com/why-are-company-bosses-paid-so-much#

GrannyGravy13

I heard a snippet of Ed Balls discussing this with Kevin McGuire this morning, wasn’t paying enough attention other than Doctors commenting that ^it will leave A & Es looking like war zones^

I'm not sure that's the same thing GG13.

From the little I know, doctors are concerned that money will be redistributed to different 'targets', which don't include A & E or mental health. It seems like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. I think that's what Balls and McGuire were discussing.

The decentralisation (which is what the OP is about) is a different issue. Apparently, some kind of announcement will be made soon. Until then, I'm in the dark as much as anybody else, although I know what I'd like to see to improve health services in local regions.

I heard a snippet of Ed Balls discussing this with Kevin McGuire this morning, wasn’t paying enough attention other than Doctors commenting that it will leave A & Es looking like war zones

PoliticsNerd

These days the Telegraph headlines rarely show any reference to the article beneath them. I think they have grasped the fact that they will be picked up and used on social media without a single supporting fact, just personal attack.

I do hope we see Levison Part 2 sooner rather than later and that it is applied to the internet, making sites answerable as publishers.

Apparently, it's based on a report by the thinktank 'Demos'. The proposal is to give local authorities more powers over health-related services rather than being dictated to by Whitehall. The devil is in the detail and the details haven't been announced yet, so I can't comment. It's nothing to do with Amanda Pritchard's salary.

The only MSM which seems to have reported this (so far) is the Telegraph, which I can't read because it's behind a paywall, but I found this:

www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/ministers-considering-stripping-nhs-england-of-powers-with-aim-of-streamlining-health-service/ar-AA1v2DDH

* parlous

I am more interested in how the NHS is going to be further streamlined. It is already quite selective in what it does - for example, ear wax removal and mole treatment in prominent areas no longer available. Quite an expensive process for pensioners at £60 a time for ear wax removal especially if needed twice a year. I am sure the practice nurse used to offer this. What else will go?

Oh give over. My comment, although criticising the size of her salary, was pointedly so - because when do we EVER hear from the scented AP? I have made reference to this in the past numerous times on old threads. The NHS is in a parlours state yet the woman never puts her head above the parapet. Actually, maybe that’s why!

These days the Telegraph headlines rarely show any reference to the article beneath them. I think they have grasped the fact that they will be picked up and used on social media without a single supporting fact, just personal attack.

I do hope we see Levison Part 2 sooner rather than later and that it is applied to the internet, making sites answerable as publishers.

Is that all you can think of to criticise her? The size of her salary?

They talk about 'lefties' subscribing to the 'politics of envy', but the far right seem to have it in for high earners, too.Unless, of course, they happen to lead their preferred political party.

They try to disguise this by ranting about 'waste' but the rants are pretty meaningless..