NOTRE DAME [title edited by GNHQ at OP's request]

Sorry for obvious typo
Don't apologise - it was funny and it's probably autocorrect (did it to me too), which for some reason doesn't like the Normans!

Wow escaped many hands then!
We visited Notre Dame in 2016 on a dreich day, it was beautiful, but the dull weather outside reduced the light through the glass.
Jaberwork I am very proud of my heritage, from small village churches nearby, to the local Cathedral in Winchester, I’ve never heard disparaging remarks from anyone of any nationality.

This is an amazing photo today of all the workers who helped to restore Notre Dame over the past 5 years.

Sorry for obvious typo. Yes, I realise some were from earlier- but few remain. Could you give me examples?

I will always remember visiting Brixworth, near Northampton, astill a pure Anglo-Saxon 'barn' Church. But which Cathedrals remain of that period, or before?

Fleurpepper

Always wanted to visit, and was so upset when it burnt down first time, and was about to visit when re-opened, when second fire happened.

valdavi, in many ways, Glasgow School of Art is so so unique in the world, whereas there are 1000s of Cathedrals from Normal times onwards.

whereas there are 1000s of Cathedrals from Normal times onwards. Norman times - typo, I do realise

Many were built before Norman times; there are a total of 42 cathedrals in the UK, some built since. The Normans built fifteen.

Each unique in its own way of course.

It's sad that these wrangles are preventing the Glasgow School of Art's restoration going ahead.
Just drank my coffee from a mug with a Charles Rennie Mackintosh design on it (rather faded now).

Greyduster

Well I for one am proud as punch of our heritage and tickled pink when I enter even our small parish church that has been standing since 1100 AD and still has its Norman doorways, and our great cathedrals, such as Durham that wraps its history around you like a comfortable old coat. We should be embracing our history not holding our noses and apologising for it. (Dons tin helmet and waits for incoming!).

Ours was first built as a dependency of a French Abbey 🙂

Well I for one am proud as punch of our heritage and tickled pink when I enter even our small parish church that has been standing since 1100 AD and still has its Norman doorways, and our great cathedrals, such as Durham that wraps its history around you like a comfortable old coat. We should be embracing our history not holding our noses and apologising for it. (Dons tin helmet and waits for incoming!).

Wise words jaberwok. 🤔

Old and new Notre Dames( new as seen on film only) both stunning. My sister was on a birthday week break in Paris during the fire and could actually see it from her hotel room window.!( cf sights you wish you *hadn't *seen from your hotel window).
Viz à viz the cost of the reparation I don't have any statistics to argue with but it was mentioned that there were large donations from the worldwide community to assist the restoration costs.
Can't wait to see the cleaned Rose Window. The world and his wife will go in December 24 so that one is scheduled for Spring.

I remember when Assisi was hit by an earthquake and the ceiling was likely to fall in. An English company had invented something akin to an umbrella which could be taken into the building and gradually opened up to help the roof stay in place. The Italians did not want this and refused to let them. They saw sense in the end.

Always wanted to visit, and was so upset when it burnt down first time, and was about to visit when re-opened, when second fire happened.

valdavi, in many ways, Glasgow School of Art is so so unique in the world, whereas there are 1000s of Cathedrals from Normal times onwards.

Amazing workmanship.

This wasn’t!

Cecilia Giménez was suspected of vandalism in 2012 after she attempted to restore the Ecce Homo fresco of Jesus Christ in a Roman Catholic church in Borja, Spain. Giménez, an elderly parishioner of the Santuario de la Misericordia church, wanted to restore the fresco after moisture on the church’s walls caused some of the fresco’s paint to flake off. Artist Elías García Martínez had originally painted the fresco in 1930. Giménez’s restorations were so inconsistent with the original fresco that her work became known as “Monkey Christ,” and Borja authorities considered taking legal action against her.

Glasgow School of Art should be restored & I'm sure it rankles in Glasgow that that hasn't happened yet.
But is it in the same league as Notre Dame? I think that's the difference, not the different country.

petra

We have visited this site 3 times. We have met several English stonemasons while there.

www.guedelon.fr/en/

Not too far from us, and we still haven't been there. Very much top card for this Spring.

There we are then! Entente cordiale!😊

In a catastrophe of that scale you need all the help you can get.
Definitely this, and even in other times too.
DS1 is an engineer, he worked on Hinkley Point and several of his collaborators were French.

We have visited this site 3 times. We have met several English stonemasons while there.

www.guedelon.fr/en/

We did, however, have something to offer: “Since then, the French have visited York Minster to see the fire barriers fitted in the roof there and to look at the method of protection used for the stained glass of the Great East Window, where a second layer of clear glass has been used to protect the medieval material. The plan is to use the same method at Notre Dame.”

English stonemasons may well have worked on Notre Dame. I have read of other projects in France where they have been used. We certainly offered them, along with all manner of other expertise such as archaeologists, conservators, and craftspeople to help with the restoration. Their expertise included remote surveying, conservation engineering, and wall-painting amongst other things. Whether the French saw fit to avail themselves is another matter. In a catastrophe of that scale you need all the help you can get.

Dinahmo

escaped

I know nothing about Scotland, but I read this piece with interest.......

^InScotland, Colin Tennant, the Head of Technical Conservation for Historic Environment Scotland, feels that traditional building skills are at a crisis point. He says, “If we had a fire like Notre Dame, we would probably struggle to find structural carpenters that could reconstruct places like the Great Hall at Stirling or Edinburgh Castle.“^

Part of the reason for this is the emphasis on academic training to the detriment of more craft based courses.

The UK has been very good at design - from jewellery to cars to fashion etc. At one time many of the designers working in European car manufacturers came from the RCA.

Yes, indeed.
In France, there is widespread appreciation of traditional building skills. They train apprentices in a range of disciplines. It's a way of life for people there.

The trouble with 20th/21st century art, digressing here, is that people often don't like it because they don't recognise it. It needs to wait a century or so to become "traditional." I'm much more admiring of say Monet or Gaugin styles and less comfortable with the very new stuff. Weird.

escaped

I know nothing about Scotland, but I read this piece with interest.......

^InScotland, Colin Tennant, the Head of Technical Conservation for Historic Environment Scotland, feels that traditional building skills are at a crisis point. He says, “If we had a fire like Notre Dame, we would probably struggle to find structural carpenters that could reconstruct places like the Great Hall at Stirling or Edinburgh Castle.“^

Part of the reason for this is the emphasis on academic training to the detriment of more craft based courses.

The UK has been very good at design - from jewellery to cars to fashion etc. At one time many of the designers working in European car manufacturers came from the RCA.

Sorry - hit the wrong key -

their art is not very good. When we visit a town we look at the galleries which are usually full of stuff that I would not want to buy.

I know nothing about Scotland, but I read this piece with interest.......

InScotland, Colin Tennant, the Head of Technical Conservation for Historic Environment Scotland, feels that traditional building skills are at a crisis point. He says, “If we had a fire like Notre Dame, we would probably struggle to find structural carpenters that could reconstruct places like the Great Hall at Stirling or Edinburgh Castle.“

Jaberwok

The French are still proud of their nation. We as a country are not. For years now we've had it dinned into us what an awful nation we are and that our past is something to be abjectly ashamed of to the point that we should be hanging out heads and constantly apologising , and regretting that we still exist. Of course we have wonderful craftspeople perfectly able to restore our heritage, but at the same time we have to apologise for heritage being there in the first place!

You're right - the French are very proud of their nation. I think that they had brilliant artists, composers and writers in the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries. I don't now about contemporary composers and writers but their art is