NOTRE DAME [title edited by GNHQ at OP's request]

We did, however, have something to offer: “Since then, the French have visited York Minster to see the fire barriers fitted in the roof there and to look at the method of protection used for the stained glass of the Great East Window, where a second layer of clear glass has been used to protect the medieval material. The plan is to use the same method at Notre Dame.”

We have visited this site 3 times. We have met several English stonemasons while there.

www.guedelon.fr/en/

In a catastrophe of that scale you need all the help you can get.
Definitely this, and even in other times too.
DS1 is an engineer, he worked on Hinkley Point and several of his collaborators were French.

There we are then! Entente cordiale!😊

petra

We have visited this site 3 times. We have met several English stonemasons while there.

www.guedelon.fr/en/

Not too far from us, and we still haven't been there. Very much top card for this Spring.

Glasgow School of Art should be restored & I'm sure it rankles in Glasgow that that hasn't happened yet.
But is it in the same league as Notre Dame? I think that's the difference, not the different country.

Amazing workmanship.

This wasn’t!

Cecilia Giménez was suspected of vandalism in 2012 after she attempted to restore the Ecce Homo fresco of Jesus Christ in a Roman Catholic church in Borja, Spain. Giménez, an elderly parishioner of the Santuario de la Misericordia church, wanted to restore the fresco after moisture on the church’s walls caused some of the fresco’s paint to flake off. Artist Elías García Martínez had originally painted the fresco in 1930. Giménez’s restorations were so inconsistent with the original fresco that her work became known as “Monkey Christ,” and Borja authorities considered taking legal action against her.

Always wanted to visit, and was so upset when it burnt down first time, and was about to visit when re-opened, when second fire happened.

valdavi, in many ways, Glasgow School of Art is so so unique in the world, whereas there are 1000s of Cathedrals from Normal times onwards.

I remember when Assisi was hit by an earthquake and the ceiling was likely to fall in. An English company had invented something akin to an umbrella which could be taken into the building and gradually opened up to help the roof stay in place. The Italians did not want this and refused to let them. They saw sense in the end.

Old and new Notre Dames( new as seen on film only) both stunning. My sister was on a birthday week break in Paris during the fire and could actually see it from her hotel room window.!( cf sights you wish you *hadn't *seen from your hotel window).
Viz à viz the cost of the reparation I don't have any statistics to argue with but it was mentioned that there were large donations from the worldwide community to assist the restoration costs.
Can't wait to see the cleaned Rose Window. The world and his wife will go in December 24 so that one is scheduled for Spring.

Wise words jaberwok. 🤔

Well I for one am proud as punch of our heritage and tickled pink when I enter even our small parish church that has been standing since 1100 AD and still has its Norman doorways, and our great cathedrals, such as Durham that wraps its history around you like a comfortable old coat. We should be embracing our history not holding our noses and apologising for it. (Dons tin helmet and waits for incoming!).

Greyduster

Well I for one am proud as punch of our heritage and tickled pink when I enter even our small parish church that has been standing since 1100 AD and still has its Norman doorways, and our great cathedrals, such as Durham that wraps its history around you like a comfortable old coat. We should be embracing our history not holding our noses and apologising for it. (Dons tin helmet and waits for incoming!).

Ours was first built as a dependency of a French Abbey 🙂

Fleurpepper

Always wanted to visit, and was so upset when it burnt down first time, and was about to visit when re-opened, when second fire happened.

valdavi, in many ways, Glasgow School of Art is so so unique in the world, whereas there are 1000s of Cathedrals from Normal times onwards.

whereas there are 1000s of Cathedrals from Normal times onwards. Norman times - typo, I do realise

Many were built before Norman times; there are a total of 42 cathedrals in the UK, some built since. The Normans built fifteen.

Each unique in its own way of course.

It's sad that these wrangles are preventing the Glasgow School of Art's restoration going ahead.
Just drank my coffee from a mug with a Charles Rennie Mackintosh design on it (rather faded now).

Sorry for obvious typo. Yes, I realise some were from earlier- but few remain. Could you give me examples?

I will always remember visiting Brixworth, near Northampton, astill a pure Anglo-Saxon 'barn' Church. But which Cathedrals remain of that period, or before?

This is an amazing photo today of all the workers who helped to restore Notre Dame over the past 5 years.

Wow escaped many hands then!
We visited Notre Dame in 2016 on a dreich day, it was beautiful, but the dull weather outside reduced the light through the glass.
Jaberwork I am very proud of my heritage, from small village churches nearby, to the local Cathedral in Winchester, I’ve never heard disparaging remarks from anyone of any nationality.

Sorry for obvious typo
Don't apologise - it was funny and it's probably autocorrect (did it to me too), which for some reason doesn't like the Normans!

Fleurpepper

Sorry for obvious typo. Yes, I realise some were from earlier- but few remain. Could you give me examples?

I will always remember visiting Brixworth, near Northampton, astill a pure Anglo-Saxon 'barn' Church. But which Cathedrals remain of that period, or before?

Canterbury and others - but were added to by the Normans and subsequently.

Someone once complained to me that our very old Norman church had been 'ruined' by the Victorians, who built on to it.
However, they were restoring it and it had in fact been wrecked by Henry VIII, along with many other sacred buildings.

Winchester Cathedral is lovely Jaxjacky. Jane Austen buried there if I remember rightly?
Yes, dull weather can play havoc with the light on stained glass and beyond into the building. Usually when DH is singing in cathedrals, we get 2 or 3 days, so at least one of them is usually bright enough to enjoy the full effect. In Reims the blue Chagall glass windows are stunning. Chartres with its medieval windows is up there with the best.

Greyduster

Well I for one am proud as punch of our heritage and tickled pink when I enter even our small parish church that has been standing since 1100 AD and still has its Norman doorways, and our great cathedrals, such as Durham that wraps its history around you like a comfortable old coat. We should be embracing our history not holding our noses and apologising for it. (Dons tin helmet and waits for incoming!).

I agree wholeheartedly*Greyduster*.

It seems a peculiarly British thing to knock what we should be proud of. We have so much wonderful heritage and many, many skilled conservers, stonemasons, architects, etc, etc, of which we should be absolutely proud.

Certainly, things have happened in the past which are not things to celebrate and be proud of now, but that is not unique to Britain.

The Gaudi Cathedral, Sagrada Familia in Barcelona has had restorers and workpeople on it for absolutely years.. and they are wonderful craftspeople too..

Allira

Fleurpepper

Sorry for obvious typo. Yes, I realise some were from earlier- but few remain. Could you give me examples?

I will always remember visiting Brixworth, near Northampton, astill a pure Anglo-Saxon 'barn' Church. But which Cathedrals remain of that period, or before?

Canterbury and others - but were added to by the Normans and subsequently.

Someone once complained to me that our very old Norman church had been 'ruined' by the Victorians, who built on to it.
However, they were restoring it and it had in fact been wrecked by Henry VIII, along with many other sacred buildings.

Canterbury was indeed the oldest, 6C- but my point is very is little, and perhaps nothing, left of the original Church. But we digress.

England (and the other UK nations, but I know them less well)- have a fabulous architectural heritage- and I do believe British people are very proud of it, no less than the French. Some were true 'firsts' in the world, like Hardwick Hall (more glass than stone) and Iron Bridge, etc.

Hardwick is my “local” stately pile, Fleurpepper; just down the road a bit. In love it. She was quite a gal, Bess of Hardwick - richer, so it’s said, than Queen Elizabeth. Build Hardwick for herself - it was her vanity project. “Hardwick Hall - more window than wall”. It’s a beautiful house; very true to its time.

Indeed, France was waaayyy behind.