Greg Wallace suspended

It really pees me off to see the hinted at correlation between a man's accent and his behaviour.

Its ignorant at best.

Just how hard is it for a man in Greg’s position, paid royally for many years, to not be a sexual pest?
Some apologists think it is incredibly hard to the point of impossible because of various extenuating circumstances over which poor Greg had no control.
My heart bleeds.

My achey, breaky heart.

I still stand by my earlier comments but even so I think the overwhelming front page coverage of this silly man has now gone over the top. There are awful events happening in the rest of the world and we are bombarded with this. We live in an Orwellian world now where even journalists are visited by the " thought police" because they have tweeted an opinion. Everyone is offended by everything these days, just look at how GSM was banned from this forum because a few people didn't like her forthright comments. Let's get things into perspective and save our outrage for the justice system in this country where ghastly crimes are committed and the guilty are just given a slap on the wrist and let Gregg fade into oblivion with his underpants.

I don't understand why BBC are still going to show him The least they should do after knowing for ten Years
Is not make people watch him We even pay a huge licence fee to have to watch him

Yes, we do like a witch hunt, that's true. (With regards to Wallace)

I think it's more a matter of all the sleaze over the years, rather than just an isolated event.

There are lots of channels so no one is made to watch him. I've never watched any of his programmes as I'm not interested so don't know anything about him.

Me neither.
I am interested in how this behaviour can still be somehow twisted to be the victims' faults, in 2024.

I am not sufficiently interested in this story so don’t know all the details but the headlines are everywhere.

More and more women coming forward too after many years. Seems a bit dodgy to me.

It takes courage for a woman of any age or class to come forward and make allegations about a man.

This is compounded if the man is in public life, whether as a TV face actor, politician etc.

It is 2024 and no woman should feel shame or be embarrassed due to the actions of any man.

We have moved on from the bawdy banter , page 3, and girly calendars in work places.

I and most women know the difference between lighthearted chats and out and out humiliation by sexual references.

He was headline news last night considering world wars famine disasters etc. I don’t think it merits headline news but it’s typical of the BBC these days.

theworriedwell

There are lots of channels so no one is made to watch him. I've never watched any of his programmes as I'm not interested so don't know anything about him.

Agreed. However I watch for the contestants and their imagination and skills- same for Strictly.

buffyfly9

I still stand by my earlier comments but even so I think the overwhelming front page coverage of this silly man has now gone over the top. There are awful events happening in the rest of the world and we are bombarded with this. We live in an Orwellian world now where even journalists are visited by the " thought police" because they have tweeted an opinion. Everyone is offended by everything these days, just look at how GSM was banned from this forum because a few people didn't like her forthright comments. Let's get things into perspective and save our outrage for the justice system in this country where ghastly crimes are committed and the guilty are just given a slap on the wrist and let Gregg fade into oblivion with his underpants.

We can address other important matters as well, nobody is simply living and breathing the Greg Wallace debacle, but it bears being publicised so that women who are presently having to work with a colleague or boss who behaves like Greg, dreading going into work, feeling anxious and distressed, know that this isn’t acceptable and that they can report it. Women have to feel that reporting sexual misdemeanours and crimes will not simply result in their experiences being trivialised and dismissed.
And am afraid your comment is a good example of said trivialisation.
I imagine the numbers of women coming forward with regard to sexual misdemeanours/misconduct at work are very low as are the cases of women coming forward about rape.
This has to change in this day and age.

Fair comment, but again, it's the sheer extent of people involved, the years of cover ups, and lack of respect for females that is being bought to light, yet again.

Redhead56

He was headline news last night considering world wars famine disasters etc. I don’t think it merits headline news but it’s typical of the BBC these days.

No, it doesn't.

I would have thought the recent uprising in Syria was far more worrying and important. But hey, what do we know? 🤷‍♀️

I am not trivialising anything, quite the contrary. What I am saying is that it is now easier than ever to report verbal sexual abuse which is why the reporting of it is everywhere! Actual physical sexual abuse should never be tolerated and I am not aware that this odious man ever laid his hands on anyone. He has made a complete fool of himself and his punishment is justly deserved, let us not hear of him again.

I’m in favour of anything that stops men doing things that are detrimental to women, whether they are men acting as men or men pretending to be something else.
But in terms of Greg Wallace, the purpose has been achieved. He is out of a job and has been punished for his behaviour. Do we need to go over it again and again and again?
Allira and others have made that point e.g.
I would have thought the recent uprising in Syria was far more worrying and important. But hey, what do we know? 🤷‍♀️
Maybe it’s because easier to hear about things we’ve been successful in doing.

buffyfly9

I am not trivialising anything, quite the contrary. What I am saying is that it is now easier than ever to report verbal sexual abuse which is why the reporting of it is everywhere! Actual physical sexual abuse should never be tolerated and I am not aware that this odious man ever laid his hands on anyone. He has made a complete fool of himself and his punishment is justly deserved, let us not hear of him again.

I understand why this is a news iem but the headline?

Perhaps the BBC is wailing mea culpa - iterum.

Easier than ever for who?
Middle class women of a certain age, do you mean?

Or cheeky, chirpy cockney birds?

Harm can be caused in many, many different ways which don't involve the physical.

buffyfly9

I still stand by my earlier comments but even so I think the overwhelming front page coverage of this silly man has now gone over the top. There are awful events happening in the rest of the world and we are bombarded with this. We live in an Orwellian world now where even journalists are visited by the " thought police" because they have tweeted an opinion. Everyone is offended by everything these days, just look at how GSM was banned from this forum because a few people didn't like her forthright comments. Let's get things into perspective and save our outrage for the justice system in this country where ghastly crimes are committed and the guilty are just given a slap on the wrist and let Gregg fade into oblivion with his underpants.

Absolutely. I can't understand msm giving this story front page coverage. He's a vile man, apparently, I don't know him, don't watch his programmes , yet he's being vilified for "innaproprate banter", nothing as bad as child pornography, get out of jail free, grooming of young white girls, Saville, Shipman, illegal immigrant sexual assault on two women, suspended sentence.
Even one of the women is apparently now downplaying what he said.
Priorities in this country all scew wif .

Working in media is entirely dependent on contacts, luck and goodness knows what else that comes way ahead of talent and ability. For every 'national treasure' there are countless others with equal talent (however subjective that is as a concept) plugging away without getting a break, and for every runner/production assistant who is in the right place at the right time and given a chance there are many more who can't live on the low pay and give up their dreams before 'making it'.
Not only that, but the rewards for those who do make it can be huge, and money is power.

As has been pointed out, the BBC doesn't employ direct - production companies make programmes and agencies provide anchors and actors. Big names can move between agencies and companies, who have their own management teams, so 'indiscretions' in one company may never be known by the next one. As in all areas of work it can be easier to let people go than to pursue allegations (or any sort of bad behaviour), particularly if the culprits aren't just moving departments but moving to a different company. It's easy to see how people like Russell Brand and others can stay under the radar, getting bigger and bigger with each move, until they become untouchable.

Agents have a role to play too. Big names work with big agencies, and it is easy for the agent to threaten to withdraw all their people if one gets tarnished - so hypothetically they can say 'if you sack Twizzle from his role as anchor of Primetime Fun, then Twinky and Twonky won't present Million Pound Gameshow which as cost you a fortune to put together, and you're looking at B list guests on your early evening chat show for the foreseeable future'.

Also, can those who ask why people didn't complain at the time that incidents occurred afford to take on a TV company in court? Very few people (eg aspiring chefs who have a coveted place on Masterchef that could make a massive difference to their career) have the resources to bring a case themselves, or to defend themselves against an accusation of slander or libel. There is a huge financial risk if they don't have enough hard evidence (which is all but impossible to acquire. The power is not with the 'little people' - it never is.

Then there are always those who refuse to listen to complainants as people are innocent until proven guilty. So how can a company proceed? Until there is a court case, the 'personality' has to keep working, and there can't be a court case until enough people are willing to risk everything to bring one, and even if they win, the odds are that they will never work in media again.

When one person speaks out, or someone leaks incontrovertible evidence, others can come forward with far less risk. It's easy to say that it's cowardly to put up and shut up when it's not your house, career or savings on the line.

It's not Orwellian to disallow obscene 'jokes' about women's sexual parts or to penalise those who deliberately humiliate and threaten people who can't fight back - it's progress.

Finally, we don't know why posters are banned on GN - HQ have been at pains to say that they don't do it lightly, so it is unfair to keep bringing up examples here and to ascribe motives for their doing so. None of us is privy to everything that happens on here. Even if we had time to read every thread in every forum we can't read PMs or correspondence between posters and HQ. There are people I miss on here - some of whom have been banned and some who have been driven away by posters with what may be described as 'forthright views', or may be seen as targeting and repeated nastiness. As ever, the interpretation can depend on whether or not we agree with the views and whether we are being targeted or not.

Well said Doodledog.
Agree totally.
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👏👏👏 Very well explained. I was also intrigued yesterday at the garage looking at all the headlines/newspapers nearly all on Wallace.

Levels of current interest doesn't mean that other issues are not significant or more significant, or one doesnt care. It means that culturally a sort of tipping point on what is acceptable has been reached on coercive emotional control.

Babs03

Well said Doodledog.
Agree totally.
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Me too.

Christmas Masterchef specials have been pulled from the schedule.