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Overspend/under delivery by the former government confirmed!

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Gris71 Wed 04-Dec-24 12:55:45

This week the full cost of the abortive Rwandan policy has been revealed, showing a spend of £715m from June 2022 to June 2024 with zero impact on illegal imigration. There was £50m in flights - for whom: ministers, officials but not one refugee.
The full report can be read in www.gov.uk›government › publications › medp-with-rwanda-and-the-illegal-migration-act-associated-costs
Turning to under delivery: the ‘botched Tory prison building plan’ (Daily Mirror headline today) will cost the tax payer £4billion more than expected, according to the National Audit Office. The prison expansion project is now expected to cost £9.4 to £10.1 billion and is currently massively behind schedule! The former government’s pledge to create 20,000 extra prison spaces by 2025, is not being achieved. Only 6518 places having been created by September 2024.
Full report: www.nao.org.uk/reports/increasing-the-capacity-of-the-prison-estate-to-meet-demand/
This is in just one week! What further Tory overspends or failed delivery will be uncovered in the weeks and months to come?

MaizieD Wed 11-Dec-24 15:18:12

I don't think you read the same report that I did, David Far from concentrating on expert advice it covers the whole unpreparedness of government and its structure to meet the challenges of the pandemic. From a confused multiplicity of bodies set up to supposedly cover such emergencies to the failure to look beyond a flu pandemic and failure to look closely at international experiences with other illnesses and the inaction of the government machinery on the results of numerous 'exercises...

PPE was covered briefly in Ch. 5

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Personal protective equipment
5.85. The importance of PPE was an issue that arose repeatedly in the exercises, including the 2016 exercises Silver Swan (pandemic influenza in Scotland) and Iris (a MERS-CoV outbreak in Scotland), and in the lead-up to Cygnus.132

5.86. It was clear that PPE needed to be stockpiled in advance of a pandemic, in sufficient quantities, fit-tested and connected to an effective distribution network.
Sir Christopher Wormald told the Inquiry that “[w]e never nationally ran out of PPE”, but that “in individual places there were shortages of PPE and people having to use
not the right PPE”.
133 Mr Hancock said that there were logistical difficulties in getting access to stockpiles quickly.

*134 The Inquiry will be examining this and PPE more fully
in subsequent modules.*

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But I was trying to pint out that there had been more than one major exercise over the years.

Chapter 5 p111 has a diagram setting out the numerous exercises and reports which had taken place since 2000, either nationwide or in the devolved authorities

Among the problems with these exercises this was noted:

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5.56. ...., there was a lack of openness about the outcome of the exercises. The Local Government Association was not sighted on the conclusions of Exercise Cygnus.
Although the Exercise Cygnus report included all local resilience forums on its distribution list and it was to be published on ResilienceDirect, *the Local Government
Association only obtained disclosure of the report as a result of legal proceedings* brought by another body in 2020.89 It was not aware of Exercise Alice until the autumn of 2022, when its existence became known through the work of this Inquiry.

90 There was no local government involvement in Exercise Alice, nor were its report or recommendations shared.

91 Mr Lloyd told the Inquiry that, had the Local
Government Association known about issues such as the potential importance of quarantining in planning, it “would have changed what we were doing in our local planning”

.92 Many others with an acute interest in the outcome of Exercise Cygnus, including the Royal College of Nursing and private care home providers, were unable to learn from it or contribute to the discussion about how the systems of
preparedness could be improved.

93 Reports should have been shared between
governments and key organisations, as well as with the public.

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Lack of continuity in planning

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5.50. However, following the February 2017 meeting of the Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingencies sub-Committee referred to above, it did not meet again.

Similarly,the Pandemic Flu Readiness Board did not meet for a year between November 2018 and November 2019. Following the year-long hiatus, it was recognised that there was a need to “re-invigorate the Board” and to “prioritize and re-energize work streams and the [Board]”.

85 *The UK government’s priority did not ever move back to
pandemic preparedness*. The Pandemic Flu Readiness Board did not meet again until 23 January 2020.

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All in all, it speaks to a disturbing lack of real interest in successive governments in preparing thoroughly for any sort of pandemic.

It even says that impending Brexit meant that civil servants who were supposed to be working on pandemic preparedness were reallocated to work on Brexit planning...

David49 Wed 11-Dec-24 12:56:17

Looking at the report I can’t see any recommendations for PPE reserves nor is there anything online since Covid. Whether you get an accurate reply from your MP will be interesting, more likely the strategy for reserve PPE will be revealed.

The report concentrates on expert advice, on any topic you will get a range of advice given, you choose which fits best in the circumstances. Then you are guaranteed to get others saying it was a waste of money. More saying it was too little, we saw this world wide

MaizieD Wed 11-Dec-24 10:33:37

I didn't say that 'nobody has done anything', David, I just said that the report, which makes shocking reading, didn't get much, if any, publicity.

As to whether or not it has been acted on, I intend to write to my MP to ask the question.

David49 Wed 11-Dec-24 10:18:41

MaizieD

We actually know a lot more than that, David. The cobid inquiry's first interim report of 'preparedness' was published in June and it makes disturbing reading.

There would probably have been more publicity about the report had there not been a General Election imminent.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66b2053c0808eaf43b50dd89/UK-Covid-19-Inquiry-Module-1-Full-Report.pdf

I’m not surprised in the slightest that nobody has done anything.

Will our new leader redress the issue

MaizieD Wed 11-Dec-24 09:30:50

We actually know a lot more than that, David. The cobid inquiry's first interim report of 'preparedness' was published in June and it makes disturbing reading.

There would probably have been more publicity about the report had there not been a General Election imminent.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66b2053c0808eaf43b50dd89/UK-Covid-19-Inquiry-Module-1-Full-Report.pdf

David49 Wed 11-Dec-24 06:06:28

We know that the government carried out a large scale rehearsal for a major pandemic about 10 yrs ago, one of the shortcomings was lack of PPE.

They knew that a large store of PPE was needed but did nothing about it, when Covid started they had nothing outside the regular supply chain.

How much emergency PPE stockpile is available now?.

Casdon Tue 10-Dec-24 22:57:12

MissAdventure

Also the masks.
We were issued with instructions on how to use them more than once, because the NHS took almost all of our stock, which was fair enough, but they were desperately short, and obviously they faced more danger than us.

Yes, masks were in very short supply, even the lower grade ones that were not up to the required standard. Staff in both the NHS and care homes were incredibly brave and stoical in those early days, the country owes them a great debt.

Mollygo Tue 10-Dec-24 22:14:09

Ruthiek
During Covid I remember hearing a comment by a specialist who said “ this government will not get re-elected after what they have had to do to keep this country going during Covid
It’s very like Marc Antony
The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones

It’s like that with every change of government.
The LP have the advantage of not being able to prove that they could or would have dealt with it any better.

MissAdventure Tue 10-Dec-24 21:52:21

Also the masks.
We were issued with instructions on how to use them more than once, because the NHS took almost all of our stock, which was fair enough, but they were desperately short, and obviously they faced more danger than us.

Casdon Tue 10-Dec-24 21:48:35

I know MissA, and we were receiving stock dated 2016, and there was a pitiful supply of that even. I hope we never come to that again in this country, it was very frightening.

MissAdventure Tue 10-Dec-24 21:33:43

They're used daily in care work, too.
People were being exposed to the risk of covid due to ppe not being available.

Casdon Tue 10-Dec-24 21:16:27

MaizieD

Oreo

Casdon

Oh dear, that’s really not what you should do at all, is it? You should have a robust emergency planning framework for pandemics, and an up to date stock of PPE at the very least.

That would be impossible, an up to date stock of PPE! It would sit in containers and be unusable by the time another pandemic comes around.
A plan, yes.

Not if it's properly managed. Stock rotation is the name of the game. An old and effective technique.

The problem was that management of the emergency PPE stock was privatised by the tories. With what appears to be the usual results. Inefficiency and incompetence.

The stock at the PPE stores for pandemics is items that are used every day in the NHS. It would be very straightforward to devise a system rotate stock out of the stores to service, and replace the stock in the PPE store. I know they are everyday use items, I was working in the NHS in the pandemic when we received the PPE stock.

MaizieD Tue 10-Dec-24 21:14:42

any shade of government would have had to spend eye watering amounts.

A different shade of government might not have spent so much money gleefully enriching their friends and donors. 😆

MaizieD Tue 10-Dec-24 21:11:32

Oreo

Casdon

Oh dear, that’s really not what you should do at all, is it? You should have a robust emergency planning framework for pandemics, and an up to date stock of PPE at the very least.

That would be impossible, an up to date stock of PPE! It would sit in containers and be unusable by the time another pandemic comes around.
A plan, yes.

Not if it's properly managed. Stock rotation is the name of the game. An old and effective technique.

The problem was that management of the emergency PPE stock was privatised by the tories. With what appears to be the usual results. Inefficiency and incompetence.

Oreo Tue 10-Dec-24 20:32:49

ruthiek

Gris71 did you receive any help for Covid and the fuel crisis? I know I did we had the help with energy costs , my son had help with furlough costs for his staff as his comisby closed down(travel industry ) where do you think all this money came from? And how were we to pay it back ? Over years like we paid for the war and I believe we only finished that payment a few years ago. So I think it is disingenuous for the Labour government To blame everything on the previous government . During Covid I remember hearing a comment by a specialist who said “ this government will not get re-elected after what they have had to do to keep this country going during Covid

I agree with you.
The Conservatives had to go, it was time and I don’t believe they’ve sorted themselves out yet, and Labour I hope will yet do well, but they haven’t made the best start, and we all know how much money had to be spent throughout the pandemic and any shade of government would have had to spend eye watering amounts.

Oreo Tue 10-Dec-24 20:27:43

Casdon

Oh dear, that’s really not what you should do at all, is it? You should have a robust emergency planning framework for pandemics, and an up to date stock of PPE at the very least.

That would be impossible, an up to date stock of PPE! It would sit in containers and be unusable by the time another pandemic comes around.
A plan, yes.

MayBee70 Tue 10-Dec-24 20:13:56

If the previous government hadn’t’ve got rid of our storage facilities we wouldn’t have had such a bad fuel crisis.

Primrose53 Tue 10-Dec-24 19:57:24

ruthiek

Gris71 did you receive any help for Covid and the fuel crisis? I know I did we had the help with energy costs , my son had help with furlough costs for his staff as his comisby closed down(travel industry ) where do you think all this money came from? And how were we to pay it back ? Over years like we paid for the war and I believe we only finished that payment a few years ago. So I think it is disingenuous for the Labour government To blame everything on the previous government . During Covid I remember hearing a comment by a specialist who said “ this government will not get re-elected after what they have had to do to keep this country going during Covid

Well said ruthiek i was just about to say all of what you said so well.

The Conservatives had more thrown at them than any other Government apart from war years. Covid was a massive thing to deal with on its own.

For 14 years Labour sat back and moaned and said “if we were in power it would all be much better”. They had all those years to come up with some wonderful plans but no, all they did was moan and belittle.

Now they are in and the majority of people say they are doing a dreadful job, they wish they hadn’t voted for them and KS is the most unpopular PM in living memory.

pascal30 Tue 10-Dec-24 14:29:29

Lovetopaint037

The Rwanda scheme was dead in the water and that is why we had an early election.

Lots of people in Rwanda got houses.. and Rwanda did very well out of the scheme..

Lovetopaint037 Tue 10-Dec-24 11:06:24

The Rwanda scheme was dead in the water and that is why we had an early election.

MissAdventure Mon 09-Dec-24 23:43:53

Have affairs, parties, and pay chums for ideas that never got off the ground?
That specialist may have been right.

ruthiek Mon 09-Dec-24 23:09:25

Gris71 did you receive any help for Covid and the fuel crisis? I know I did we had the help with energy costs , my son had help with furlough costs for his staff as his comisby closed down(travel industry ) where do you think all this money came from? And how were we to pay it back ? Over years like we paid for the war and I believe we only finished that payment a few years ago. So I think it is disingenuous for the Labour government To blame everything on the previous government . During Covid I remember hearing a comment by a specialist who said “ this government will not get re-elected after what they have had to do to keep this country going during Covid

MayBee70 Thu 05-Dec-24 19:21:45

petal53

I guess you have to make fast (and sometimes shown to have been wrong in the future) decisions when you suddenly find the country is in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.

You mean like giving multi million pound contracts to people that can’t even make the stuff you’re paying them for? Or asking Dyson to make life saving equipment ‘ because he knows how to make vacuum cleaners’…

Casdon Thu 05-Dec-24 19:18:03

Oh dear, that’s really not what you should do at all, is it? You should have a robust emergency planning framework for pandemics, and an up to date stock of PPE at the very least.

petal53 Thu 05-Dec-24 19:15:49

I guess you have to make fast (and sometimes shown to have been wrong in the future) decisions when you suddenly find the country is in the middle of a worldwide pandemic.