Keir Starmer Six Milestones speech and paper

J52, sorry, I have looked but cannot find it, I wish I could remember his name. It was a police chief from one of the English forces. I should have made a mental note when I read it.

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winterwhite

It’s been a sad and shaky start and a pity that KS is so lacking in charisma. But we knew that and thought a bit of Boring no bad thing.
As others have said his targets seem dangerously unachievable.
He attacks ‘nimbys’ re housing targets. In my area the problem is the developers who find it more profitable to build a few grand house than 10 affordable ones.
Reducing waiting time for elective surgery will be heavily dependent on investment in primary and social care.
Making sure children are ready for school at age 4+ should be a cop-out of a target, involving families and playgroups.
But I wish the govt well.

I agree that his lack of charisma makes things difficult, but given the choice I'd rather have a steady hand than a showman.

I think most of the targets are achievable. I'm not sure about the 'school-ready' children, as too much of that is out of the government's hands. They can put schemes like Sure Start in place, but people have to want to attend before they can do any good.

If the housing targets are for social housing and right to buy is curtailed, it won't be down to builders and their profits, but to what the needs of the population are.

I agree that the NHS has a hill to climb, but I think that for the first time in more than a decade the will is there to climb it. Yes, it will mean paying more, which many will complain about; but I think it's a price worth paying. Also, those who are currently forking out for private operations won't need to do so if things are fixed, so by the time the disposable income test is applied most people will be better off financially as well as physically.

As you say, I wish them well - all of the targets are things I would like to see come to pass.

I wish them well too, we all must as what they do affects us all.
I’d rather have a steady hand than a showman too, but am now wondering if indeed he is a steady hand.
I doubt the targets are achievable in the first place and if they are what other areas will suffer.In other words am hopeful but doubtful.

No, I'm not sure either, but I'm prepared to wait and see.

Well I'm really not sure how he will reduce the NHS waiting times etc, my local children's hospital have told staff they need to "find" £1m for next year! I ve no idea how this is going to happen. Staff pressured into doing extra lists on their days off and longer shift patterns! It's not good when staff are tired from their normal shifts!

yellowfox

He also stated that there are more tax rises to come.

He said he couldn't rule it out.

If he did rule it out and then had to introduce them, he'd be accused of lying. It must be really bad for the mental health to have everything pulled apart and used against you in this way.

I appreciate that all politicians get it to a certain extent - that is the role of the media - but I have never known anything like the vitriol that's been shown to this government, although the UK press has always been right wing. I suppose the last time the LP was in power there was no social media, or what there was wasn't as readily available.

He also stated that there are more tax rises to come.

By the way, he's middle class, is that OK?
It's fine by me

Why wouldn't it be?

Hmm Johnson and his 'afters' had chances and chances and chances! How about giving this one a break. He has a longer term strategy. I really miss the winter fuel allowance but I'm not going to turn on him for something that more needy people will be able to access.
By the way, he's middle class, is that OK?

winterwhite

It’s been a sad and shaky start and a pity that KS is so lacking in charisma. But we knew that and thought a bit of Boring no bad thing.
As others have said his targets seem dangerously unachievable.
He attacks ‘nimbys’ re housing targets. In my area the problem is the developers who find it more profitable to build a few grand house than 10 affordable ones.
Reducing waiting time for elective surgery will be heavily dependent on investment in primary and social care.
Making sure children are ready for school at age 4+ should be a cop-out of a target, involving families and playgroups.
But I wish the govt well.

I agree that his lack of charisma makes things difficult, but given the choice I'd rather have a steady hand than a showman.

I think most of the targets are achievable. I'm not sure about the 'school-ready' children, as too much of that is out of the government's hands. They can put schemes like Sure Start in place, but people have to want to attend before they can do any good.

If the housing targets are for social housing and right to buy is curtailed, it won't be down to builders and their profits, but to what the needs of the population are.

I agree that the NHS has a hill to climb, but I think that for the first time in more than a decade the will is there to climb it. Yes, it will mean paying more, which many will complain about; but I think it's a price worth paying. Also, those who are currently forking out for private operations won't need to do so if things are fixed, so by the time the disposable income test is applied most people will be better off financially as well as physically.

As you say, I wish them well - all of the targets are things I would like to see come to pass.

J52, it was from one of the police chiefs on X but I can’t remember his name. I will try and find it.

Yes aspects are definitely interconnected as in leaving hospital. I can't see how that won't have to be addressed.

It's a fundamental flaw that he didn't include improving Social Services.. how can he possibly fulfil his promise re the Health Service without doing that..

It’s been a sad and shaky start and a pity that KS is so lacking in charisma. But we knew that and thought a bit of Boring no bad thing.
As others have said his targets seem dangerously unachievable.
He attacks ‘nimbys’ re housing targets. In my area the problem is the developers who find it more profitable to build a few grand house than 10 affordable ones.
Reducing waiting time for elective surgery will be heavily dependent on investment in primary and social care.
Making sure children are ready for school at age 4+ should be a cop-out of a target, involving families and playgroups.
But I wish the govt well.

MaizieD

I puzzled a bit over MOs. I assume it's a typo for MPs?

Assuming its MP's, normal expenses do cover office space in the constituency.

Separate for heating homes and thats where suggestions for changes apply?

On his speech someone claimed he was. Making opportunities what were the opportunitiesThey are changing right to buy making it more difficult to own your own home Don't nurses still have to pay to do a degree whilst working and of course they are less helpful with winter fuel issues

And replying to comments about no luxury plaçe for Starmers son Did the papers lie about the luxury flat he used for his son to study for his GCSEs because his son couldnt concentrate with reporters around their home And what about his very expensive taste in glasses did he develop that being working class He also has obviously little working class experience that he's putting to good use

Just read some of the comments Someone asked why I'm jealous of Starmers success I don't even see him as a success !!! I never wanted to be a prime minister I just think he and the rest of labour are messing up

I puzzled a bit over MOs. I assume it's a typo for MPs?

Isn’t the point that the heating that MOs get paid is in their workplace. Who pays the heating bills for their offices/factories/classrooms? Are people really suggesting that this becomes the norm?

Not accurate even according to the DM. We need a source that supports that claim.

Foxyferret

I read that the 13000 police officers are not extra officers, they are regular police officers taken off their normal duties. Would this not leave their forces even more short of officers to investigate more serious crimes.

Could you reference where you read this please?

I read that the 13000 police officers are not extra officers, they are regular police officers taken off their normal duties. Would this not leave their forces even more short of officers to investigate more serious crimes.

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Good practical questions up there, allsortsofbags. definitely a wait and see "how".

I think this gov't has done a good job so far, we have no more drs or medics strikes, kids are going to get breakfast soon & railways are going to be nationalised so no shareholders get huge profits for a rubbish service, lets hope water companies are next.
I'm quite happy to loose my WFA, I don't need it but I think they should have stopped it at those paying higher rate tax.
I also agree with the farmers & inheritance tax introduction, round here many rich people buy land with no intention of farming it but leaving it to there kids tax free. One wealthy person paid his farm staff to go to London & protest.
Clarkson shows that, only he has made an income filming his efforts to farm.
They're only paying half inheritance tax and have 10 yrs to pay it. I would love to buy land to farm it but I just can't afford it, maybe prices will come down now so ordinary folk can have a go.

I don't know about a lot the other targets but I do know a bit about building residential properties, I ran a building site back in the 1990s. I worked on Green Field sites and Brown Field sites so have some insight into whats required to hit targets.

Thankfully I got out and retrained and even though it's a long time ago the basics never leave us oldies .

Also DD2 is currently working in a delivery team of a very large government construction project so we have conversations about the current state of the construction industry.

I can not see anyway the government, local or national, can achieve the target.

I'm not a nay sayer just some one who has rational questions about the targets.

This is what would be required to build 1.500000 homes in 1,800 and 25 days (5yrs).

The construction industry would need to build 822 homes a day .

That's 34 homes an hours.

34 homes an hour working 24/7 365.

So by today, 7th Dec, 127,296 homes needed to be completed to stand any chance of hitting the target.

To date, 7th Dec, no additional homes have been built, only those homes that were already in the process have been completed.

It's not going to happen.

I'm not downing Labour, it wouldn't matter if it was The Monster Raving Loony Party putting this target out. It's not going to happen.

It's not an achievable target. So I do wonder about the other targets.

Due to DD2 daily contact with Balfour Betty, Costain, BAM, Laing and other big construction companies I am aware they all have the same difficulty now.

Supplies, shortages.

Shortages of raw material, lack of capacity in the manufacturing sector and the big supply difficulty, workers. Workers who are suitably qualified and/or experienced.

So how will the construction industry find the additional workers and materials let alone the land to build the 1.500000 additional homes?

I'm not questioning the need for addressing the situation re the Police, NHS, Housing and so on, I do just wonder where the workers, the money, and the materials are going to come from to delver on what the PM has said.

So call me a nay sayer, call me FRight (Far Right) if you wish although I have no particular political leanings. However, using the real - not media - information and experience I question the wish list of any politician of any party.

I wait i hope of better times to come.