German rules re people smuggling..

Elegran 🤣

You are right, Casdon, all the various countries' authorities have to do is to inform the people intending to set off across the channel that they have set a firm date for the number arriving to go down to zero, and would they please take note of that deadline and stay away after it. Don't know why they didn't do that long ago and save all the hassle!

(sarky alert)

Wyllow3

Does Reform not actually have any policies on immigration and migration?

How could you possibly think that Wyllow?! Of course they have policies, the chief one being that our Nige is going to part the sea and send them all to France. It’s really the only viable option, surely, I don’t know what Yvette Cooper is doing with her silly ideas about working with other countries to develop joint solutions, the woman has no common sense at all.

Does Reform not actually have any policies on immigration and migration?

Yvette Cooper has refused to set a timetable for reducing small boat arrivals despite admitting current levels are “far too high”.

The Home Secretary declined to say when Channel crossings would start going down after last week saw the busiest December day on record.

A total of 609 people reached Britain in nine dinghies on December 12, also marking the highest daily total since October 18.

Reform apparently has clear policies on "fixing" migration and you support them, so what are they? You surely must have some idea. Then we can actually discuss alternatives.

Labour is in charge now. They have a plan.
Let’s wait and see.
Mind you, if Europe is cracking down on irregular migration then we, across the Channel, will probably benefit too from a knock on effect. Starmer will then take the credit for this but no matter.

So what different things then?

No point knocking whats going on now without an alternative.

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Maybe try doing something different? So far nothing has worked so best stop repeating it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Politicians of all stripes have been blathering and dithering about this for years. It’s a huge betrayal of the British people.

What's you answer, FGT.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Politicians of all stripes have been blathering and dithering about this for years. It’s a huge betrayal of the British people.

Imo it’s something that politicians use to excuse their failings in giving us the sort of country that we want and should have. Immigrants, either legal or illegal are just a good scapegoat. Always have been.

Politicians of all stripes have been blathering and dithering about this for years. It’s a huge betrayal of the British people.

Checked it out: Seems an OK idea to me to pay some deportees:

"The voluntary returns service can provide up to £3,000 in financial support to help you after you leave the UK.

If you are eligible, you will receive a single payment on a card before you leave the UK. You can only use the card in your home country."

" This money can be used to: Find a job, Find a place to live, and Start a business"

Like the Rwanda scheme but without the astronomical deal costs do you mean Primrose53? I’m all agog, do tell more.

Wyllow3

"In Germany, the state covers the cost of medical services for refugees and asylum seekers through public health insurance. As a refugee or asylum seeker, you can select a health insurance fund that directly reimburses healthcare providers on your behalf."

(German State website)

Meanwhile the government is deporting economic migrants regular flights home where its safe - they just don't regularly hit the headlines.

That’s because they are paying loads of them to leave, so they are keeping it quiet.

Many many more in the case of Germany. One million Syrians alone as well as many others from Iraq Kurdistan Iran Afghanistan. The numbers we have here in the uk are tiny by comparison .

"I would suspect that the people smugglers make it all sound perfectly easy and safe and the asylum seekers aren't aware of how dangerous a Channel crossing is."

Yes, that's exactly what they do.

"In Germany, the state covers the cost of medical services for refugees and asylum seekers through public health insurance. As a refugee or asylum seeker, you can select a health insurance fund that directly reimburses healthcare providers on your behalf."

(German State website)

Meanwhile the government is deporting economic migrants regular flights home where its safe - they just don't regularly hit the headlines.

Casdon

I’d imagine that if our country was in a the state Syria was, and we were frightened for our lives that we would want to escape to a country of our choosing Oreo. The first priority would be to get out, then we would look to go somewhere that we had family or other connections, a language we could understand, that we had heard about as children, that we thought would welcome us, etc. It’s not as simple as settle in the first country you arrive at, is it? If it was, 75m Brits would descend on France in similar circumstances.

Exactly what I was going to say. Plus the fact that France, and especially, Germany take many more asylum seekers than we do in the UK.

MayBee70

Perhaps, with all the stories coming out of Syria, some people might start to realise why people risk their lives to get to a safe country?

Well said.

They may have sound reasons for choosing the UK, mainly I suspect that as different French and German politicians have said in their less diplomatic moments, that the UK offers more benefits to them including free healthcare.
None of that has anything to do with them not being in a safe
Country if already in Germany or France.
Most are economic migrants hoping to convince the authorities that they’re genuine asylum seekers.True asylum seekers may want to join family already here but to cross the Channel in an overcrowded dinghy is one risk too many when already out of danger and living in Europe.
Of course they’re aware of the dangers of the sea crossing, they all have phones and know about the overcrowding and drownings.

As Casdon says, they have sound reasons for choosing to come to the UK. I would suspect that the people smugglers make it all sound perfectly easy and safe and the asylum seekers aren't aware of how dangerous a Channel crossing is.

I’d imagine that if our country was in a the state Syria was, and we were frightened for our lives that we would want to escape to a country of our choosing Oreo. The first priority would be to get out, then we would look to go somewhere that we had family or other connections, a language we could understand, that we had heard about as children, that we thought would welcome us, etc. It’s not as simple as settle in the first country you arrive at, is it? If it was, 75m Brits would descend on France in similar circumstances.

I sometimes wonder if posters have to work at being rude or whether it just comes naturally.
It doesn’t matter MaizieD which ‘bright spark’ says it, it’s true that Germany is a safe country for asylum seekers ( which was my point) and yes I do know as do most people that it’s up to the asylum seeker to choose which country to claim in.
I was answering Maybe70 ‘s post which said ‘perhaps with all the stories coming out of Syria,some people may start to realise why people risk their lives to get to a safe country’.
I understand totally why they would do that but am asking why on earth once being in a good safe country you would risk your life on a perilous sea journey to reach another safe country.It’s madness.

I agree that Cooper seems to be working hard behind the scenes and achieving small gains instead of going for the money wasting gimmicks the Tories were trying.

Add to that the changing picture in Syria and maybe we will all be moving forward now.