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German rules re people smuggling..

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MayBee70 Tue 10-Dec-24 17:06:34

“Germany will tighten its law to make it easier to prosecute those helping to smuggle migrants to the UK, as part of a new plan agreed between the two countries.
Facilitating people-smuggling is not technically illegal in Germany currently, if it is to a third country outside the EU - which, following Brexit, includes the UK.
Under the new agreement, the Home Office says Germany has pledged to make the activity a clear criminal offence.
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said the "ground-breaking" agreement would help tackle the criminal gangs organising small boat crossings.
The Conservatives said the plan did not "go far enough" and would not provide the deterrent necessary to reduce crossings.
Earlier this year, a five-month long BBC investigation exposed the significant German connection to small boat crossings in the Channel, with people-smugglers operating in the west German city of Essen.
The new joint UK-German agreement comes as the Home Office's own Border Security Command warns that Channel crossings "are the most dangerous they have ever been".
Charlie Eastaugh, director of international operations at the command, told the BBC: "We've seen tyre inner tubes being used in place of life jackets, it's extraordinarily dangerous, they are death traps”
So, the Conservatives say it doesn’t go far enough but it’s more than they achieved. Doubt if it will get much publicity from the news media, though sad

Parsley3 Tue 10-Dec-24 17:22:46

Well done, Yvette Cooper. I hope it works to break the smuggling gangs operating out of Germany.

PoliticsNerd Tue 10-Dec-24 17:35:39

This is real work being done.

There is a long way to go. But if the UK leaves the Trumpian and extreme capitalist ideas of the far right behind - where they only see winners and losers - we can return to being the great negotiators Great Britain was once renown for, leaving the mess of Brexit behind us an forging new ties with our nearest neighbours which are good for us all.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 10-Dec-24 17:43:40

I will be pleased to see these evil people traffickers behind bars and their assets confiscated.

petra Tue 10-Dec-24 17:44:47

Some time ago there was a piece on the news showing some underground reporters meeting up with people smugglers.
The people smuggler told them that it wasn’t illegle to smuggle people out of Germany.

Parsley3 Tue 10-Dec-24 17:48:59

That's right, it wasn't illegal if the destination was to a non EU country, hence the need for Cooper to get an agreement.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 10-Dec-24 17:51:41

petra

Some time ago there was a piece on the news showing some underground reporters meeting up with people smugglers.
The people smuggler told them that it wasn’t illegle to smuggle people out of Germany.

I’m always surprised when journalists can locate the smugglers but police forces/border control cannot 🤷‍♀️

Chocolatelovinggran Tue 10-Dec-24 18:04:59

Surely this is a step in the right direction. It's good to hear of co- operative working with our European neighbours.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 10-Dec-24 18:10:56

Indeed GG13!

Literally Hundreds of gangs from inside Europe. Half a billion ££s already given to France. It’s dispiriting.

Welcome as the initiative is, the proof of the pudding etc etc.
70 people have lost their lives this year crossing the Channel.

Wyllow3 Tue 10-Dec-24 18:50:16

Thank you for sharing the news. Good for Cooper.

Dynawritecat Wed 11-Dec-24 12:31:24

Yes, too true. I am sick of the Labour bashing Tories and Media. How on earth do people think we're going to fix all the problems we have without the funds to do it? Toughen up guys. At the moment it's whinge whinge whinge.

Cossy Wed 11-Dec-24 12:32:50

GrannyGravy13

I will be pleased to see these evil people traffickers behind bars and their assets confiscated.

Me too!

Cossy Wed 11-Dec-24 12:33:48

PoliticsNerd

This is real work being done.

There is a long way to go. But if the UK leaves the Trumpian and extreme capitalist ideas of the far right behind - where they only see winners and losers - we can return to being the great negotiators Great Britain was once renown for, leaving the mess of Brexit behind us an forging new ties with our nearest neighbours which are good for us all.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

MaggsMcG Wed 11-Dec-24 13:39:40

It's not fair to blame the UK if these people want to risk their lives and fail. The crossing is dangerous drowning in freezing water is a very high risk. Its not the Coast Guards fault.

Elegran Wed 11-Dec-24 14:24:06

MaggsMcG

It's not fair to blame the UK if these people want to risk their lives and fail. The crossing is dangerous drowning in freezing water is a very high risk. Its not the Coast Guards fault.

I don't see anyone "blaming the UK" for them trying to cross dangerous waters in leaky boats provided by greedy entrepreneurs wanting to get as much as they can out of desperate people. Degrees of desperation may vary from risking their lives and their children's lives if they stay where they are, to looking for a better life with more opportunities than are available for themselves and their children in their home country, but no-one trusts to a dodgy boat unless they hope it may lead to a vast improvement of some kind for them.

I blame a combination of the situation in their own country, be it war, oppression or extreme poverty, and the avarice of those who are ready to risk other people's lives for profit.

MayBee70 Wed 11-Dec-24 21:47:25

Perhaps, with all the stories coming out of Syria, some people might start to realise why people risk their lives to get to a safe country?

Wyllow3 Wed 11-Dec-24 21:57:57

I would like to think you are right Maybee! Some impact in the labelling of all migrants and the hatred generated.

Oreo Thu 12-Dec-24 07:46:11

MayBee70

Perhaps, with all the stories coming out of Syria, some people might start to realise why people risk their lives to get to a safe country?

They’re in a safe country as they’re already in Germany!
Making it a criminal offence is one thing, the police there having the ‘will’ to arrest them is quite another.As posters say, it’s amazing that journalists can find them but authorities can’t, well it all comes down to the will to do it.

Annma Thu 12-Dec-24 10:57:45

At last- something is being seen to be done.Well done Yvette,at last a grown up in the room.

mum2three Sat 14-Dec-24 06:30:45

If I remember correctly, before he became Prime Minister, Starmer stated that he wanted to create a safer way for people to reach the UK. He wants to stop the boats but not illegal immigrants.
The whole system needs to be changed. Each European country (including Britain) should agree to take a certain number of asylum seekers. When that quota is reached, they should refuse any more.
We reached our limit a long time ago, yet we are still setting out the welcome mat.

MaizieD Sat 14-Dec-24 08:30:56

They’re in a safe country as they’re already in Germany!

It doesn't matter how often international law on asylum seekers is explained there's always at least one bright spark on an immigration thread who comes up with this little gem.

Asylum seekers do not have to apply for asylum in the first safe country they reach. I suspect that posters who cling to this wrong belief just enjoy getting wound up about asylum seekers and don't want an iota of their dog whistles removed.😡

MaizieD Sat 14-Dec-24 08:32:45

We reached our limit a long time ago, yet we are still setting out the welcome mat.

What 'limit' might that be and who decided on it?

keepingquiet Sat 14-Dec-24 08:37:31

I agree that Cooper seems to be working hard behind the scenes and achieving small gains instead of going for the money wasting gimmicks the Tories were trying.

Add to that the changing picture in Syria and maybe we will all be moving forward now.

Oreo Sat 14-Dec-24 09:16:32

I sometimes wonder if posters have to work at being rude or whether it just comes naturally.
It doesn’t matter MaizieD which ‘bright spark’ says it, it’s true that Germany is a safe country for asylum seekers ( which was my point) and yes I do know as do most people that it’s up to the asylum seeker to choose which country to claim in.
I was answering Maybe70 ‘s post which said ‘perhaps with all the stories coming out of Syria,some people may start to realise why people risk their lives to get to a safe country’.
I understand totally why they would do that but am asking why on earth once being in a good safe country you would risk your life on a perilous sea journey to reach another safe country.It’s madness.

Casdon Sat 14-Dec-24 09:22:52

I’d imagine that if our country was in a the state Syria was, and we were frightened for our lives that we would want to escape to a country of our choosing Oreo. The first priority would be to get out, then we would look to go somewhere that we had family or other connections, a language we could understand, that we had heard about as children, that we thought would welcome us, etc. It’s not as simple as settle in the first country you arrive at, is it? If it was, 75m Brits would descend on France in similar circumstances.