How could we have let Sara down so badly?

I think they are Annie.

I was physically abused by my mother 70 years ago. I lied about bruises etc because I believed I 'deserved ' the beatings not because I was told to. I was also in a children's home run by Anglican nuns where I was beaten with a wooden spoon after soiling the bed (aged 3). Religion , skin colour, and social class have nothing to do with propensity to abuse.
As for social workers, when I worked in a social work department in the 90s , the average burn out time for Child protection workers was 2years.

Ther3 has been no mention of abuse caused by by religion,
skin colour or class

Anniebach

Ther3 has been no mention of abuse caused by by religion,
skin colour or class

With respect Annie, some earlier posts were suggesting just that.

It all started because the. child was wearing a hijab, questioning
this caused anger for. some, questioning there may have been reluctance to. report anyone as happened in the Rotherham
grooming cases causes anger for some.

It is acceptable to question Christian priests committing crimes , Jews committing crimes, not the Muslim faith, only one
poster brought up religion in the thread of the murder of the
2 year old, in the O/P,

Facts no faith teaches rape, sexual abuse, physical abuse, murder

Poor little girl -so badly let down by social services .
Now her siblings have been rescued .
I just hope that they can get over the abuse .
I know several people who suffered abuse as children and they are permanently damaged .

RIP Sara .

We don’t know the situation regarding her siblings Esmay. As far as we know they are still in Pakistan living with their grandparents, who brought up the vile man who murdered Sara, and hid him from the authorities despite his despicable crime.
Someone upthread said the British are are trying to get them repatriated to Britain.

Sara’s murder has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It was a violent man picking on a defenceless child.

No one. has said or suggested the abuse and murder was caused
by religion the hijab was spoken of , this has something to do with a religion/faith

Petal -unfortunately you are right.
I was told that they'd been rescued, but they are in Lahore -hidden by their grandfather .
Let's see what happens .

Quite right Annie, nothing to do with religion.

Esmay,I didn’t know that the grandparents are now hiding the children. How cruel.

"Facts no faith teaches rape, sexual abuse, physical abuse, murder"

Spot on, Anniebach Sara died at the hands of her vile father not because he was a Muslim but because he was a violent manipulative abuser.

Abusers will find ways of abusing, usually this is about power and access, so yes, all institutions that give people power and authority over others and access to potential victims should be subject to scrutiny and that includes mosques as well as RC and Cof E churches, schools, cubs and brownie groups, sports clubs etc. That's why organisation should all have safeguarding policies and procedures.
Sharif did not have power and access because of his religion, he wasn't that invested in his faith, it came from being Sara's father. I can only speak for myself, but I didn't feel "angry" as such when posters brought up issues related to the Islamic faith eg banning the hijab, coercion into marriage at 9 years old, nor when FMG was mentioned or it was suggested that she was not properly protected because of "cultural" sensitivities (whatever they are) but I did need to challenge those comments. Imagine reading this thread as a practising Muslim, it fills me with shame that anyone could look at Sharif and think this vile man represents a follower of Islam or any other religion for that matter or there is anything in the Quran that sanctions or encourages this behaviour. Surely we know better than that? fwiw I totally understood what the OP of the thread about Isabella J-W said.
This is one of the few threads that has brought grans together, I still can't get Sara's face out of my head, let's stay united in our disgust that this man was able to inflict his abusive behaviour on his daughter. I don't think our child protection services are all as useless as Surrey has been, I've looked at more reports and 80% are rated as good with a few of those outstanding, let's hope Surrey is able to improve.

foxie48, a sincere thank you for your posts on this distressing thread. I find your analysis about how child protection/safeguarding can fail to be congruent with my front line experience.
I’m finding myself haunted by Sara’s life and death. The point you make about the likelihood of each individual concern being assessed in isolation from the history/chronology of concerns is, imo, key in this tragedy.
Every child care file should have a chronology at the front of its record.
If every concern/referral is considered alongside the many that preceded it, this kind of tragedy would be less likely,
Yes, I do know this seems obvious. The files of chikdren like Sara are extensive.

foxie I am a practicing Anglican , I have to accept vile criticism o& the Anglican Church on this forum:, I can expec5
you and s8me others to. object to this criticism when my faith 8s attacked. No other faith is subjected to such attacks as the Christian faith,

The angry defence of the Muslim faith has certainly made me.
aware of people holding back of speaking of it, as in the Rochdale grooming scandal.

The father surely could not be a devout Muslim as he merely used the hijab to cover up the injuries he had inflicted on his child.

So when we speak of Christians or Jews we must be sure if they
are devout Christian or Jew

Allira, I’ve seen no suggestion that either the father or step mother were devout Muslims.

I didn't say that.

Sorry Allira, I meant my post to support yours.

Anniebach, I agree with Allira. The father used the Hijab to cover injuries and also to support the removal of Sara from school. He claimed she was being bullied for wearing the Hijab. Manipulative cruel individual

Pointless discussion, a police officer in the MET. can describe
a man wearing a kippah as openly Jewish .
I am not troubled if the murderer is Muslim, devout Muslim or
not , I am troubled by the many attempts to silence any mention of the Muslim faith, it happened in Rochdale

Iam64

Sorry Allira, I meant my post to support yours.

Ok! Misunderstanding 🙂

The greater impediment to investigating and prosecuting men in the Rochdale and other grooming scandal wasn’t the alleged fear of accusations of racism. It was the abject failure to protect girls from sexual exploitation. The failure to see the girls aged mainly 13-15, as victims. They were labelled as making poor lifestyle choices.

Misunderstandings on difficult subjects like this do happen, good to sort asap

Manipulative cruel individual

Is the grandfather of Sara and the children the father of Urfan Sharif? If so, that is extremely worrying if he brought up a son capable of such wickedness.
The older boy, Sara's brother, is the one who worries me most, what he witnessed and what he thinks is normal.

Iam64

The greater impediment to investigating and prosecuting men in the Rochdale and other grooming scandal wasn’t the alleged fear of accusations of racism. It was the abject failure to protect girls from sexual exploitation. The failure to see the girls aged mainly 13-15, as victims. They were labelled as making poor lifestyle choices.

I'm sure we all make some poor lifestyle choices but none as devastating as those.
In most cases our parents are there to guide us but for some children, sadly, they lack the right support.