How could we have let Sara down so badly?

Anniebach

Pointless discussion, a police officer in the MET. can describe
a man wearing a kippah as openly Jewish .
I am not troubled if the murderer is Muslim, devout Muslim or
not , I am troubled by the many attempts to silence any mention of the Muslim faith, it happened in Rochdale

Why should it need to be silenced in the Sara Sharif case? It didn't need to be mentioned in the first place.

Unbelievable, the Rochdale abuse cases were caused by the parents

Some mothers of the children in Rochdale asked and asked for
help,

It didn't need to be mentioned in the first place

Why?

Anniebach

It all started because the. child was wearing a hijab, questioning
this caused anger for. some, questioning there may have been reluctance to. report anyone as happened in the Rotherham
grooming cases causes anger for some.

It is acceptable to question Christian priests committing crimes , Jews committing crimes, not the Muslim faith, only one
poster brought up religion in the thread of the murder of the
2 year old, in the O/P,

Facts no faith teaches rape, sexual abuse, physical abuse, murder

Yes, that was me! And you misunderstood my point.

Anniebach

Unbelievable, the Rochdale abuse cases were caused by the parents

Some mothers of the children in Rochdale asked and asked for
help,

And the police didn't believe them.

Allira

^It didn't need to be mentioned in the first place^

Why?

Why should religion have been mentioned? It was not the cause of the violence.

Allira

Iam64

The greater impediment to investigating and prosecuting men in the Rochdale and other grooming scandal wasn’t the alleged fear of accusations of racism. It was the abject failure to protect girls from sexual exploitation. The failure to see the girls aged mainly 13-15, as victims. They were labelled as making poor lifestyle choices.

I'm sure we all make some poor lifestyle choices but none as devastating as those.
In most cases our parents are there to guide us but for some children, sadly, they lack the right support.

OK! Let's not pussyfoot around with talking about lifestyle choices. The police thought the girls were little slappers.

It was not the cause of the violence
We know that.

You're changing the narrative and altering what posters said.

Very young girls choose the lifestyle of a slapper, really

Anniebach below is a small section from the Rochdale report which will put into context the comments that you seem to be misunderstanding, no one on this forum is saying the girls were slappers or making comments that they chose a lifestyle of abuse. They are paraphrasing what was widely reported in the media at the time. I hope it helps.
"The 2012 report from the Joint Inquiry into Children Who Go Missing from Care found that
teenage girls groomed and sexually abused by groups of men were viewed by staff as making a
‘lifestyle choice’ or denounced as promiscuous ‘slags’ (All Party Parliamentary Group 2012). A
police officer was said to have described a victim as ‘white trash’ (Norfolk 2012c). Children
abused by organised groups were viewed by staff as ‘making their own choices’ and engaging in
consensual activity (Ward 2012). Those girls who did complain were denounced as ‘lacking
credibility’ (Norfolk 2012b). Some victims have suggested that the authorities did not believe
them because they could not comprehend the seriousness of the abuse they were disclosing"

Thank you for posting that foxie. I couldn't remember the exact word which was used, but I think 'slapper' is more or less synonymous with 'slag' and 'white trash'. That is what the police and others in authority thought Anniebach and why they didn't take it seriously.

Allira

^It was not the cause of the violence^
We know that.

You're changing the narrative and altering what posters said.

I don't think so. So what were they implying when religion was introduced into the discussion?

This is getting very confusing indeed as we seem to have lost touch with the subject of the thread, but also seem to be referring at some points to another thread.

In GN guidelines:

Similarly, we will delete threads about other ongoing threads, as it causes too much confusion on the forums

Can we stay with Sara please.

I have no idea.

As you seem to know what others mean when you say they imply something, please let us know.

(the subject above is important of course I'm just suggesting it may belong elsewhere)

growstuff

Thank you for posting that foxie. I couldn't remember the exact word which was used, but I think 'slapper' is more or less synonymous with 'slag' and 'white trash'. That is what the police and others in authority thought Anniebach and why they didn't take it seriously.

I agree we should remain with Sara but I want to comment on this sweeping statement. My experience was that not all police and multi agency workers were so offensive and dismissive. Many recognised we were dealing with organised abuse of vulnerable children. The criminal courts are awful places for victims of these kind of offences. The CPS is reluctant to prosecute unless there’s a high likelihood of guilty conviction. It took continued pressure from police, social workers, health workers and Nazir A at the CPS to finally get effective investigations.

Wyllow3

(the subject above is important of course I'm just suggesting it may belong elsewhere)

My post wasn't intended as a response to yours, Wyllow3, yours appeared in between.

Yes I realised this, thanks. BTW I didn't report the thread, the discussion was getting utterly bewildering and so I pointed out the guidelines as it seems to have drifted well beyond relevance to the O/P.

Okay then , back to wee Sara. An article in the Guardian online this morning is about the rise in home schooling and the concern about the lack of regulation. If 'lessons are to learned' from this tragedy, then one of them is the necessity of a strong enough oversight and stringent regulations drawn up about this topic. Not the only issue, I know.

What of the time before home schooling too ?

Maremia

Okay then , back to wee Sara. An article in the Guardian online this morning is about the rise in home schooling and the concern about the lack of regulation. If 'lessons are to learned' from this tragedy, then one of them is the necessity of a strong enough oversight and stringent regulations drawn up about this topic. Not the only issue, I know.

And well done for Keir Starmer last week calling for better safeguards around this whole issue. I totally agree with him.

Anniebach

What of the time before home schooling too ?

On page 14 foxie gives the whole timeline of interventions and events from 2013 to 2023 at 15.13.

escaped

Maremia

Okay then , back to wee Sara. An article in the Guardian online this morning is about the rise in home schooling and the concern about the lack of regulation. If 'lessons are to learned' from this tragedy, then one of them is the necessity of a strong enough oversight and stringent regulations drawn up about this topic. Not the only issue, I know.

And well done for Keir Starmer last week calling for better safeguards around this whole issue. I totally agree with him.

I can't find the Guardian Article but the government already has from July a Children's Wellbeing Bill in the pipeline - this will add agency hopefully. I also imagine Social Services Departments will be reviewing a number of issues!

ssslearning.co.uk/safeguarding-articles/childrens-wellbeing-bill?srsltid=AfmBOorEpKjYbpJwzW43iBC648ckw1axvwIO8lTdVRdupJLCez3LMKOe

Wyllow3 , thanks for the link. I’ve read quickly but will read more comprehensively. My quick read reminded me of one of the reasons I voted Labour in the belief that a key focus would be the holistic needs of children.
I try not to waste energy looking back, feeling angry about what happened to the support and investigative services that were built during the Blair years when Cameron instigated his unnecessary and damaging austerity programme. Reading Wyllow’s link had me back with the distress, the anger as I watched good services in the deprived areas I worked destroyed.
Go Starmer

I’m not a Starmer fan but I support any initiative that makes children safer, so I’ll cross my fingers for that.
These cases; Sara, little Star, Aurther, and the other little girl in the news this week (I cant remember her name) and all the others we hear about. It all makes me so angry and so sad.