Bring it on Elon!

“Reform voters, can you take the time to inform us about your party's policy on the NHS?”

Maremia good luck with that!

I’ve posed that question several times on GN and, essentially, either been ignored or told ‘Google is your friend’.

No-one seems to want to tell us exactly what ‘miraculous’ changes Reform UK PLC will make🤷‍♀️

Shinamae

FriedGreenTomatoes2

People are influenced by propaganda, whether they realise it or not. Some people challenge what they hear or are told, but some don't

And some people are just sick and tired of what they see in front of their eyes as they walk around their towns and cities. And yes see on all tv channels (so no bias). Many of us truly want Change. Some hoped Starmer would supply it. Some didn’t vote for him because they had a gut feeling he wouldn’t be able to supply it.

Many of our institutions are swollen yet broken. The old boy network stymies Change.

Many who voted Reform (me for one) want real Change. A new broom to sweep clean if you will. Brush out all the deadwood instead of throwing more money at it. “Drain the Swamp” as Trump called it. Any why not?

Our services aren’t working, the NHS is, according to Wes Streeting (of whom I had higher hopes) who said it’s actually broken, the Civil Service seems full of “Yes Ministers”, Starmer is knocking on the EU door just because HE (who wanted that 2nd referendum) thinks it’s a good idea (clue: it’s not, they have better negotiators and will take him to the cleaners for sure) and we are about to go into recession thanks to Reeves policies. Water, rail and energy are expensive and in a mess. Councils spend money unwisely then cry “we’re bankrupt” and raise their demands.

Prisons are full.
Irregular migrants are in our hotels at our expense.
The Police can’t cope (thanks Theresa May the worst Home Secretary we have ever had for hollowing that service out in the good name of austerity).
The judiciary has a huge backlog waiting for Court sittings (yet what’s the point there’s no prison spaces m’Lud).
Knife crime 🔼
Stabbings 🔼
Shoplifting by organised gangs in town centres 🔼🔼
Potholes aren’t filled
There are enough Cass report has been ignored (shamefully) by some institutions
There are enough dentists (unless you happen to have arrived on our shores in a rubber boat).
We just don’t feel we are being listened to any more!

Blimey. And that’s just SOME of the mess citizens of the UK can SEE for themselves.

Vote Reform if you want Real Change. It’s the only way now it’s gonna happen. Patriotic feelings are not unlawful. We ought not to be shy of saying we want better for our country.

I totally agree FGT but you have put it so much better than I could, thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Thank you, I agree too 👏👏👏👏

So, Reform will bring 'change', but change is not always for the better. What positive change will Farage and co bring to the NHS? I don't want the system that operates in the USA, where my friends with CANCER would soon be bankrupt. Does anyone on here wish for that? Reform voters, can you take the time to inform us about your party's policy on the NHS?
Or does it not exist?

Why would it be a problem leaving the ECHR though?
I have travelled to Moscow ( before the war started.) all over Asia and South America and never once worried that these countries were not in the ECHR.

We have our own rights laws and if an authoritarian government took over do you think they would take any notice of a court in Strasbourg?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Some of them concern the housing of irregular migrants …
And how to deal with the situation going forward.

And leaving the ECHR.

Imo leaving the ECHR is lemming like. Why take away something that protects all of us not just those despised furriners that some people are so paranoid about . That’s just what Musk et al would like: a country full of people with no way of stopping them from doing anything they like. Let’s get rid of trade unions while we’re at it, too, shall we, who obviously just exist to push wages up; nothing to do with working conditions, health and safety etc.

FGT2 you are probably busy so have not noticed that Ben Habib has resigned from Reform. I don’t know why. Seems like there’s some jockeying for power?
Let’s remember that in 2024 we had a massively disillusioned /disengaged electorate and I don’t think Reform will necessarily pick up the slack. It might take more than 100 million dollars to fix perceptions?

Some of them concern the housing of irregular migrants …
And how to deal with the situation going forward.

And leaving the ECHR.

More intrigued, really, about these Great (Patriotic) Changes that will apparently deal with all the items on your list 🙂

Sorry. I know it must be infuriating dealing with me Wyllow. I’m childminding too at the moment!!

“Grandma why doesn’t Cinderella play ⚽️?
Because she runs away from the ball”

Reform really do have lots of good ideas. Ben Habib inspires me whenever he is interviewed. As and when I can I’ll add some in. I have t got time today to write in greater detail. Bear with.

What is overall "Real Change"? It would appear you clearly are talking about some kind of seismic shift in how out government works and years of policy being upended, and I cant see that vision.

(saying you want more money in your purse hardly hacks it)

I know I'm being quite pushy, but the claims you make are very large indeed and to make them without substance just feels empty words)

Oh lots of ideas.
Raising our personal allowance for one so we can all keep more of our money. Great idea!

So an answer to "What is Real Change" is just to repeat that "Reform will do well?"

💁

Farage doesn’t want to sell the UK to the USA.
Emulate some of their better ideas - yes - and I’m glad!

Galaxy

Oh and I think reform will do well with or without musks help.
But then again I predicted Harris would win.

I think Reform will do tremendously well at the next GE!
And I predicted Trump would win. 😁

I'm also not clear what you mean by "Patriotic feelings are not unlawful"?

That made me laugh

Especially in view of the fact that Reform's leader wants to sell the UK to the USA...

You've outlined the problems bequeathed to us in July after years of years of neglect very well.

Its just that you don't actually say in any way how Reform would sort all these out, however many times you are asked.

Saying you want "Real Change" means nothing without saying what the Real Change would actually be,

It's just gung-ho rhetoric. I really actually have no idea what you mean in practice.

I'm also not clear what you mean by "Patriotic feelings are not unlawful"?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^People are influenced by propaganda, whether they realise it or not. Some people challenge what they hear or are told, but some don't^

And some people are just sick and tired of what they see in front of their eyes as they walk around their towns and cities. And yes see on all tv channels (so no bias). Many of us truly want Change. Some hoped Starmer would supply it. Some didn’t vote for him because they had a gut feeling he wouldn’t be able to supply it.

Many of our institutions are swollen yet broken. The old boy network stymies Change.

Many who voted Reform (me for one) want real Change. A new broom to sweep clean if you will. Brush out all the deadwood instead of throwing more money at it. “Drain the Swamp” as Trump called it. Any why not?

Our services aren’t working, the NHS is, according to Wes Streeting (of whom I had higher hopes) who said it’s actually broken, the Civil Service seems full of “Yes Ministers”, Starmer is knocking on the EU door just because HE (who wanted that 2nd referendum) thinks it’s a good idea (clue: it’s not, they have better negotiators and will take him to the cleaners for sure) and we are about to go into recession thanks to Reeves policies. Water, rail and energy are expensive and in a mess. Councils spend money unwisely then cry “we’re bankrupt” and raise their demands.

Prisons are full.
Irregular migrants are in our hotels at our expense.
The Police can’t cope (thanks Theresa May the worst Home Secretary we have ever had for hollowing that service out in the good name of austerity).
The judiciary has a huge backlog waiting for Court sittings (yet what’s the point there’s no prison spaces m’Lud).
Knife crime 🔼
Stabbings 🔼
Shoplifting by organised gangs in town centres 🔼🔼
Potholes aren’t filled
There are enough Cass report has been ignored (shamefully) by some institutions
There are enough dentists (unless you happen to have arrived on our shores in a rubber boat).
We just don’t feel we are being listened to any more!

Blimey. And that’s just SOME of the mess citizens of the UK can SEE for themselves.

Vote Reform if you want Real Change. It’s the only way now it’s gonna happen. Patriotic feelings are not unlawful. We ought not to be shy of saying we want better for our country.

I totally agree FGT but you have put it so much better than I could, thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Oh and I think reform will do well with or without musks help.
But then again I predicted Harris would win.

*arent enough

Deflecting from what? I am saying it is hypocrisy and that many are watching it with bored resignation. It is just people a bit cross because the other side has more money or currently has control of social media.

People are influenced by propaganda, whether they realise it or not. Some people challenge what they hear or are told, but some don't

And some people are just sick and tired of what they see in front of their eyes as they walk around their towns and cities. And yes see on all tv channels (so no bias). Many of us truly want Change. Some hoped Starmer would supply it. Some didn’t vote for him because they had a gut feeling he wouldn’t be able to supply it.

Many of our institutions are swollen yet broken. The old boy network stymies Change.

Many who voted Reform (me for one) want real Change. A new broom to sweep clean if you will. Brush out all the deadwood instead of throwing more money at it. “Drain the Swamp” as Trump called it. Any why not?

Our services aren’t working, the NHS is, according to Wes Streeting (of whom I had higher hopes) who said it’s actually broken, the Civil Service seems full of “Yes Ministers”, Starmer is knocking on the EU door just because HE (who wanted that 2nd referendum) thinks it’s a good idea (clue: it’s not, they have better negotiators and will take him to the cleaners for sure) and we are about to go into recession thanks to Reeves policies. Water, rail and energy are expensive and in a mess. Councils spend money unwisely then cry “we’re bankrupt” and raise their demands.

Prisons are full.
Irregular migrants are in our hotels at our expense.
The Police can’t cope (thanks Theresa May the worst Home Secretary we have ever had for hollowing that service out in the good name of austerity).
The judiciary has a huge backlog waiting for Court sittings (yet what’s the point there’s no prison spaces m’Lud).
Knife crime 🔼
Stabbings 🔼
Shoplifting by organised gangs in town centres 🔼🔼
Potholes aren’t filled
There are enough Cass report has been ignored (shamefully) by some institutions
There are enough dentists (unless you happen to have arrived on our shores in a rubber boat).
We just don’t feel we are being listened to any more!

Blimey. And that’s just SOME of the mess citizens of the UK can SEE for themselves.

Vote Reform if you want Real Change. It’s the only way now it’s gonna happen. Patriotic feelings are not unlawful. We ought not to be shy of saying we want better for our country.

Galaxy

I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to be defensive when they are called thick for their voting choices ( I am not saying you do this but it is a common refrain about reform, trump, etc.) They are being called thick by the same people who pretend that Biden is fine, etc etc.
It is very difficult for the left or whoever to complain about Musks money when Harris spent billions, and had the great and good of Hollywood behind her. The previous owner of Twitter donated to the Democrats and played games with speech in order to promote their cause.

Why do you keep deflecting?

I'm sure I learnt at a very young age that two wrongs don't make a right.

Galaxy

I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to be defensive when they are called thick for their voting choices ( I am not saying you do this but it is a common refrain about reform, trump, etc.) They are being called thick by the same people who pretend that Biden is fine, etc etc.
It is very difficult for the left or whoever to complain about Musks money when Harris spent billions, and had the great and good of Hollywood behind her. The previous owner of Twitter donated to the Democrats and played games with speech in order to promote their cause.

I'm not happy with that either (democrats) Galaxy as I made clear. It's about buying votes whoever you support

when 15.000.000.000 is spent on an election overall.

I've never called someone thick or ignorant for the way they've voted, but I do query sources of information people have, its veracity, query the motivations for sinking what is to us in the UK huge amounts of money.

One of the memes going round following the Trump defeat is "President Musk".

I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to be defensive when they are called thick for their voting choices ( I am not saying you do this but it is a common refrain about reform, trump, etc.) They are being called thick by the same people who pretend that Biden is fine, etc etc.
It is very difficult for the left or whoever to complain about Musks money when Harris spent billions, and had the great and good of Hollywood behind her. The previous owner of Twitter donated to the Democrats and played games with speech in order to promote their cause.