Waspi women cheated yet again!!

I expected no less from this appalling government 😡

I think our government here is appalling and then I look at yours and realise there are further depths. They are thieves, pure and simple.

madeleine45

I was already having a bad day, but now I am absolutely furious. Just put the tv on to hear the news headlines. Wish I hadnt as I am fuming so much that cant see me getting much sleep now!!! As usual ,women are being put last, cheated and being defraud4d from both sets of government morons. They have all gone back on their word and if it had been a private company they would be indited for fraud!!! I worked for 11 years paying full stamp, then went abroad and paid class 3 which was more expensive and you got no use from it for the years you were abroad,. It was said to keep you up to date for your retirement, so as far as I see it they stole my money on false pretences. I then stayed at home as I adopted my son (in financial terms I got no maternity leave and actually saved the country money as I brought up my son, which would have cost the country money if he had been in a childrens home.) At that time I was told to go onto married womens stamp. I asked if that kept me up to date and was told yes and that I would g et a pension at the age of 60. So I have never claimed any benefit, done without holidays and no new furniture or cars, but worked and paid my bills . As an honest person I believed that when the government said that I would get a pension at 60 , that it was the truth. Huh!! They constantly moved the goal posts, made it impossible to claim a hard eared pension. If the company pension quoted that it would be received at age 60, you would get it , but when it was sneakily written that you would receive the money at "pensionable" age so that you didnt even have that part of your pension. Now, those of us who tried to be responsible, spent time and effort working out how we would cover our bills with the pension, only to find that as they had reneged on their promises, and all your care and effort was thrown in your face. We coped through a rise of mortgage to 15% at one time so there are people who have very short memories regarding the cost of housing! Having done all this to find that yet again we are absolutely CHEATED and lied to and who is getting the money? well the men of course! I particularly remember that when I worked in Overseas Telegrams I earned £11 a week. That year I also paid SIP of £11 So a whole weeks wage went into that SIP. I still have the insulting letter from the pension people telling me that I would get 6p on my pension , that (I think )comes out to 5p. I could have done something worthwhile with that weeks wage, and now to add insult to injury they think they can get away with this. Well on top of working , and bringing up a family I have (as many other women have) done a lot of voluntary work over the years. Since I have lived in North Yorkshire I did 10 years of 3 days a week hospital car service, where they just paid the petrol. Thinking about that I suggest that all we WASPI women and friends should be Wasps and sting where it hurts. We do not want to let down all the people we help of course, but they want to have days for this and that . Well we should choose a day, (perhaps my birthday would be one possibility!) and give good notice to the people we help and then literally if every retired wonan , just for that one day did not do their usual things, and other women supported us, I think we could make a big statement and show these people just exactly what we do, and how much would be missed if we stopped doing it. Many women have moved with their husbands job and done part time work to fit in with family commitments, and I am sure that there must be millions of pounds in little bits of pensions that we have never seen that is rightfully ours, which has gone into pension pots that we have not seen a penny . Well enough of a rant for tonight. I need to stomp off to bed. I will need some J S Bach to soothe me , but also I hope to put my hands on my cd of Arvo Parts Spiegel im Spiegel. It is a wonderful calming piece and when I shut my eyes, I see drops of rain falling into a lake and the rings going outward. I know one thing, it has been good to be able to come on here and feel that someone will read it at some point. I have written letters and been involved in trying to do something about this situation, but as they say, I have the bit between my teeth now, and I shall do as much as I can to be involved in any campaign going. I would say that this is the modern day version of the suffragettes movement. Grrrr!!! Goodnight fellow GN and will be interested to see your comments.

Sorry, lost interest after the first (non) paragraph.

I didn’t expect any better from this government, but the hypocrisy and lies from Labour before the election is astounding. Liz Kendall pictured holding up a placard with a WASPI woman saying WASPI women should be compensated, and then today the very same politician denying WASPI women the compensation that the Ombudsman has recommended - which in itself was very little.

What I find most concerning, and deeply depressing, is that the government has just casually dismissed the findings of the very long and complex investigation into this issue carried out by the Ombudsman, who is after all the last resort of the ordinary man/woman in the street who feels they have been treated unfairly by the all-powerful government departments. We may as well all just roll over and take whatever they want to hand out, if there's now going to be no recourse to any system that can look into alleged injustices and, if need be, put them right.

I agree Maggiemaybe. If the Ombudsman's recommendations are to be totally dismissed what is the point of having them? If only any decisions reached by them that are in accordance with government will are to be respected then just cut out the middle man, it's a total waste of public finance.

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

The PM and his front benchers should be mindful that due to SM and the internet their pre-election statements and interviews regarding their support for WASPI’s will show once more they lied in order to be elected.

LaCrepescule

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

Why do you say ‘claim’ not to have known? Are you suggesting that women (including many posters on here) are liars? How rude.

I knew, but I was not informed- I have a letter saying so after I submitted a FOI request years ago. I can’t remember how I found out, but I did not get a letter, and the fact that you ‘claim’ to have had several doesn’t alter that.

Just watching Kay Birley on Sky News now about the waspi women case, it’s the hypocrisy from Liz Kendal and Keir Starmer, when previously they supported them pretty vociferously and now a complete u turn.Yet another instance of saying anything to get elected.I’m getting totally disgusted by politicians that I hoped would do things differently.

HousePlantQueen

madeleine45

I was already having a bad day, but now I am absolutely furious. Just put the tv on to hear the news headlines. Wish I hadnt as I am fuming so much that cant see me getting much sleep now!!! As usual ,women are being put last, cheated and being defraud4d from both sets of government morons. They have all gone back on their word and if it had been a private company they would be indited for fraud!!! I worked for 11 years paying full stamp, then went abroad and paid class 3 which was more expensive and you got no use from it for the years you were abroad,. It was said to keep you up to date for your retirement, so as far as I see it they stole my money on false pretences. I then stayed at home as I adopted my son (in financial terms I got no maternity leave and actually saved the country money as I brought up my son, which would have cost the country money if he had been in a childrens home.) At that time I was told to go onto married womens stamp. I asked if that kept me up to date and was told yes and that I would g et a pension at the age of 60. So I have never claimed any benefit, done without holidays and no new furniture or cars, but worked and paid my bills . As an honest person I believed that when the government said that I would get a pension at 60 , that it was the truth. Huh!! They constantly moved the goal posts, made it impossible to claim a hard eared pension. If the company pension quoted that it would be received at age 60, you would get it , but when it was sneakily written that you would receive the money at "pensionable" age so that you didnt even have that part of your pension. Now, those of us who tried to be responsible, spent time and effort working out how we would cover our bills with the pension, only to find that as they had reneged on their promises, and all your care and effort was thrown in your face. We coped through a rise of mortgage to 15% at one time so there are people who have very short memories regarding the cost of housing! Having done all this to find that yet again we are absolutely CHEATED and lied to and who is getting the money? well the men of course! I particularly remember that when I worked in Overseas Telegrams I earned £11 a week. That year I also paid SIP of £11 So a whole weeks wage went into that SIP. I still have the insulting letter from the pension people telling me that I would get 6p on my pension , that (I think )comes out to 5p. I could have done something worthwhile with that weeks wage, and now to add insult to injury they think they can get away with this. Well on top of working , and bringing up a family I have (as many other women have) done a lot of voluntary work over the years. Since I have lived in North Yorkshire I did 10 years of 3 days a week hospital car service, where they just paid the petrol. Thinking about that I suggest that all we WASPI women and friends should be Wasps and sting where it hurts. We do not want to let down all the people we help of course, but they want to have days for this and that . Well we should choose a day, (perhaps my birthday would be one possibility!) and give good notice to the people we help and then literally if every retired wonan , just for that one day did not do their usual things, and other women supported us, I think we could make a big statement and show these people just exactly what we do, and how much would be missed if we stopped doing it. Many women have moved with their husbands job and done part time work to fit in with family commitments, and I am sure that there must be millions of pounds in little bits of pensions that we have never seen that is rightfully ours, which has gone into pension pots that we have not seen a penny . Well enough of a rant for tonight. I need to stomp off to bed. I will need some J S Bach to soothe me , but also I hope to put my hands on my cd of Arvo Parts Spiegel im Spiegel. It is a wonderful calming piece and when I shut my eyes, I see drops of rain falling into a lake and the rings going outward. I know one thing, it has been good to be able to come on here and feel that someone will read it at some point. I have written letters and been involved in trying to do something about this situation, but as they say, I have the bit between my teeth now, and I shall do as much as I can to be involved in any campaign going. I would say that this is the modern day version of the suffragettes movement. Grrrr!!! Goodnight fellow GN and will be interested to see your comments.

Sorry, lost interest after the first (non) paragraph.

How bloody rude!

LaCrepescule

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

Ooh, another one siding with the complacent "I'm Alright Jack" camp!

LaCrepescule

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

That’s not the point.
The point is the hypocrisy of supporting WASPI women and then deciding not to act on the recommendations of the ombudsman.
I’ve seen Liz Kendall, Keir Starmer, and Angela Rayner all supporting the WASPI women and promising to ‘right the wrong’ on tv news over the last 24 hours. All these promises were made in the last couple of years, and are now being backtracked on.
They are all bare faced liars.

Oreo

Just watching Kay Birley on Sky News now about the waspi women case, it’s the hypocrisy from Liz Kendal and Keir Starmer, when previously they supported them pretty vociferously and now a complete u turn.Yet another instance of saying anything to get elected.I’m getting totally disgusted by politicians that I hoped would do things differently.

Me too Oreo.
I actually didn’t vote for them, but I seriously considered it.

LaCrepescule

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

I am meticulous about keeping paperwork, receipts, letters etc. I know that I never received anything.

petal53

LaCrepescule

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

That’s not the point.
The point is the hypocrisy of supporting WASPI women and then deciding not to act on the recommendations of the ombudsman.
I’ve seen Liz Kendall, Keir Starmer, and Angela Rayner all supporting the WASPI women and promising to ‘right the wrong’ on tv news over the last 24 hours. All these promises were made in the last couple of years, and are now being backtracked on.
They are all bare faced liars.

And Yvette Cooper! Just seen footage of her saying she supported Waspi women.

The WASPI campaign started in 2015. It’s ironic that the greatest shouters about Labour not compensating WASPIs forget to mention that the Tories had 14 years to pay out, and it’s been 9 since WASPI started.
For the third time on this thread I’ll repeat that it was not promised by Labour when the election campaigning started, it was made clear in May that they would not be paying out.
I’m a WASPI woman, and yes, I knew about the change in the pension age years before it happened, but of course it would have been nice to get a payout. However I never expected to.

My perspective is that this is an issue that the media love to bring up now and again and evereyone gets worked up for a while and then it disappears again.

I got involved briefly a few years ago but soon realised it is a campaign going nowhere- politicians of all kinds jump in to the media circus but nothing ever gets done.

It is good PR (although you wouldn't think so reading some of these posts!) to be seen to be supportive of compensation but in reality it will not happen.

I'm not sure what Reform's take on this is either. Probably never comes on the radar, but again they could be seen to be supportive while not actually doing anything... which is pretty much their policy on everything.

Doodledog

LaCrepescule

I still fail to understand how many women claim not to have known. I had several letters and it was well-publicised.

Why do you say ‘claim’ not to have known? Are you suggesting that women (including many posters on here) are liars? How rude.

I knew, but I was not informed- I have a letter saying so after I submitted a FOI request years ago. I can’t remember how I found out, but I did not get a letter, and the fact that you ‘claim’ to have had several doesn’t alter that.

Quite! I certainly never had a letter telling me this at any point. I'm the sort of person that would have certainly kept a letter like that on my files - if only as proof they weren't planning on nicking even more from me than the approx 3 years they have taken.

Or am I supposed to be penalised for the fact that I realised they'd push up our SPA about 10 years before they actually did so and started planning accordingly? I can look back and see the proof of how I started planning for them doing this about 10 years before they announced it. Why not go the full gamut and penalise someone as cynical?/intuitive? as me for knowing years before anyone else did?

I remember clearly reading the financial pages in a newspaper the day they announced the first Cut at us, swearing volubly and carefully cutting out the table there as to how different ages would be affected by it (so that I had proof they weren't due to hit me even harder than they did) - yep...I was in the first tranche of women affected by this - and was already expecting them to come back for another go at women. Hence I kept the table on my files for many years - in case it helped me protect myself from their Second Go at Us. Fortunately, I was safe from a further cut by only a month or two in the event - but it wasnt until they actually started paying me my State Pension I dared throw that table out.

I duly signed/sent in my copy of the WASPI letter asking for my stolen money back and kept a copy of it - but I'm afraid I never had any faith they'd hand back a penny of it. It's been a long/firm campaign the organisers have waged and I thought "Surely the Government won't really dare back out and refuse to hand us any of our money?" but afraid I didn't even believe the Ombudsman saying we were going to be handed back that tiny portion of what we're owed. I don't trust our own Government as far as I could chuck them - and haven't for a long time.

It was the coalition government that brought in these changes please remember. Of course it should have been phased in and not the dogs dinner that was made of the pension changes. No one objected to the pension being 65 for both men and women but it was completely mucked about by the Tories. It should have been introduced far more gradually.

Casdon
You can carry on supporting your party till the cows come home, but clearly there are many others who are deeply annoyed by the hypocrisy of the Labour Party.
What a shame there is so little solidarity with other women.

keepingquiet
I agree with you that the WASPI campaign was never going anywhere, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have solidarity with other women, particularly those more badly affected.

Rebecca Long Bailey just being interviewed by Andrew Pierce on GBNews and she says this huge injustice is a slap in the face for women born in the 1950’s and the bigger, almost UNHEARD of issue is the Government deciding (yes, looking at you here Liz Kendal) the recommendations of the Ombudsman. Truly unprecedented in RLB’s opinion and she is sure MP’s of all stripes will be bringing this up in the HoC.

petal53

Casdon
You can carry on supporting your party till the cows come home, but clearly there are many others who are deeply annoyed by the hypocrisy of the Labour Party.
What a shame there is so little solidarity with other women.

Clearly people haven’t had their eye on the ball then petal53, I’m not one of them. . It’s nothing to do with me supporting Labour, I was saying exactly the same when the Tories were in power, check back to previous threads if you like.