Elon Musk Is The REAL President Elect.

M0nica

Why should being a serial philanderer stop anyone from becoming President of the USA?

Yes , that Henry the eighth should never have been King of England…. 🤓

M0nica

Why should being a serial philanderer stop anyone from becoming President of the USA?

I'm one who cares about morals, honesty, and integrity. Or lack thereof. I find lack of moral principles negative for leaders

I was the one who noted serial philandering.

I would take issue with describing Americans as ‘primitive’ - we really don’t hear the ins and outs of why people choose who they choose because we are not there. I can’t get why they chose Starmer in the UK but respect that there must have been a reason. I know why we chose Albo here because ,living here, you get a certain insight - a lot to do with his pretty useless predecessor. Now I could go on and label the British as lazy, which is a reputation they have amongst some Aussies who have worked there but I know that’s not really the case.

M0nica

“I see Musk as being like a comet that appears and rushes through the sky, frighening primitive people with celstial based belief systems. In this case it is US and British citizens with celebrity based belief systems.”

How incredibly arrogant and condescending, implying millions of Americans and British citizens to be primitive… because they have a different point of view to you? I can only assume you base your ‘thoughts’ on what you are fed by the usual left wing media like the Guardian. I wonder if you classed Mr Musk as a megalomaniac when he was on the left side of politics? I seriously doubt it somehow. I for one am pretty sure he has the interests of the American people at heart far more than the present Democratic party who put the interests of their party before the interests of their citizens (and in this case the rest of the world) by insisting their leader was compos mentis (when anyone who was compos mentis could tell he certainly wasn’t). Imagine trying to hide the fact that the supposedly most powerful man in the world was in reality the weakest of leaders, something which would obviously not be lost on the likes of Putin (and we all saw the results of that).

And as for beliefs based on celebrity, I would refer you to the Democrats campaign which, being unable to be based on substance, rolled out celebrity, after celebrity, after celebrity, hoping they would sway the American public. Fortunately, as they were not as primitive as you would seem to think, they did not fall for their celebrity based campaign.

imaround

Ugh. So much trouble posting. It is now only posting parts of my posts.

Elon supports the Afd in Germany. That is why he wants the Chancellor to step down.

Considering mass shootings in the USA have killed over 700 people in 2023 and injured over 2,000, I think Musk should concentrate on putting America's house in order instead of advising Germany on its domestic affairs.

Has his wealth gone to his head?

I understand Trump values his opinions but maybe the rest of the world is not so enamoured? Being an expert in one field does not make you an expert in another.

...Elon supports the Afd in Germany.

According to the BBC website - so does Taleb al-Abdulmohsen,

I pray that the UK sees how bad Musk is to the world before he is allowed to buy the government like he did in the US.

Elon Musk and Donald Trump give me the ICK.. both supremely arrogant and self absorbed ..have to mute them when I see them on TV

SWgranI did not say Americans are primitive - at least not in the way you are defining primitive - that is that you see it a pejorative word, where I see it merely as descriptive of when in time people lived ie, primitive comes from the word 'prime' or first.

So I am referring to early humankind, who I see as being as intelligent and as civilised as us, but whose passage through time was not sufficient to bring them to our level of technology.

Many of these people had religious or philosophical beleifs that endowed comets, celestial bodies that are entirely ephemeral, in sight one week/month/year, then gone, possibly never to be seen again, with deep significance for human life and from whome much is expected and dreaded.

Today, certainly in the English speaking western world the loss of religion seems to have been replaced by the adoration of celebrities, people who are here today, gone tomorrow - and Elon Musk is one of those celebrities, at the moment, the best friend of future Presidents, up there with Taylor Swift.

I just wonder how long it will last, sooner or later there will be a clash of egos/Trump/Musk and Trump will win because Trump is President and the world will lose interest in Musk, other than as a very odd technocrat. Like the comet, he will have had his moment in time illuminating the world and being watched by millions and he will just become a laughing stock like Jeff Bezos and his inflatable companion. He will continue to be very innovative and make money, it is just that he won't
the celebrity he is now.

The Americas still have primitive people, as do many area of the world. You may choose to look down on them I do not.

Misinterpretations as usual. What I’ve come to expect. Dissembling is a bit of an art for some. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas anyway. I mean that, not being nasty.

SWGran, seeing the Guardian as some kind of extreme left says much about where you sit politically.
By the way, yes I’ve always seen Musk as a dangerous individual. Extremist ideologies cause all kinds of issues. His personal life reflect his narcissistic personality,

I'd disagree that Musk is lauded because he has celebrity status. I think he is revered because he is obscenely wealthy and will continue to be so. No ephemeral comet flashing through the sky but a permanent fixture.

Morning SWGran! A kindred spirit! 😁 we are an irritating presence in this echo chamber to some (not all thankfully!). Nice to have you join me on the norty step - us fans of different viewpoints!

Money rules in US politcs and Trump didn't complain when Musk was funding his campaign, but Musk will not find it so easy to have the control he seeks and will inevitably take refuge in another scheme.

Same with Reform- the UK system is not the same as in the US and Musk will find himself up against the real establishment in no time.

keepingquiet

Money rules in US politcs and Trump didn't complain when Musk was funding his campaign, but Musk will not find it so easy to have the control he seeks and will inevitably take refuge in another scheme.

Same with Reform- the UK system is not the same as in the US and Musk will find himself up against the real establishment in no time.

You forget the labour party took quite a bit in donations- buying fancy clothes & accessories

MaizieD

I'd disagree that Musk is lauded because he has celebrity status. I think he is revered because he is obscenely wealthy and will continue to be so. No ephemeral comet flashing through the sky but a permanent fixture.

I think he is revered because he is obscenely wealthy...

I've previously been engaged in discussions on SM sites where his status /wealth / technology, is being discussed. With a few exceptions, any criticism of either him or his technology is met with a response that includes a reference to his wealth. You are 'denounced' because he's a wealthy success, and you are aren't, so you are not in a position to criticise. That's basically what it amounts to.

Musk's IQ rivals Einstein's. But a high IQ doesn't guarantee anything other than the set of skills it measures.

There are other forms of intelligence - emotional and practical intelligence. The IQ test doesn't capture those.

But if you question Musk's personality traits or his emotional intelligence, you are quite likely to be reminded of his enormous wealth because that's the yardstick by which he's measured. Especially in America.

So yes, I think you are right.

MaizieD

I'd disagree that Musk is lauded because he has celebrity status. I think he is revered because he is obscenely wealthy and will continue to be so. No ephemeral comet flashing through the sky but a permanent fixture.

No, these obscenely rich people come and go, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, still very rich, still around, just no longer have any celebrity status. Not in the papers everyday, no longer seen as bringers of good frtune and good luck.

Mt61

keepingquiet

Money rules in US politcs and Trump didn't complain when Musk was funding his campaign, but Musk will not find it so easy to have the control he seeks and will inevitably take refuge in another scheme.

Same with Reform- the UK system is not the same as in the US and Musk will find himself up against the real establishment in no time.

You forget the labour party took quite a bit in donations- buying fancy clothes & accessories

Oh please...that chestnut that the Labour Party came clean about only to be accused of corruption.

We are talking a whole different ball game here...

Iam64

SWGran, seeing the Guardian as some kind of extreme left says much about where you sit politically.
By the way, yes I’ve always seen Musk as a dangerous individual. Extremist ideologies cause all kinds of issues. His personal life reflect his narcissistic personality,

On this very long thread there have been many different points of view: (the Guardian may be leftish liberal but often critiques the left with considerable vigour)

I agree with this view of Musk as a summary, and particularly object he consistently tries to meddle via X with other countries' politics, and do hope for a falling-out with considerable interest.

Other POV always welcome, FGT, what do you think of Musk and his trying to influence other countries politics?

Iam64

SWGran, seeing the Guardian as some kind of extreme left says much about where you sit politically.
By the way, yes I’ve always seen Musk as a dangerous individual. Extremist ideologies cause all kinds of issues. His personal life reflect his narcissistic personality,

Prey tell where I said ‘extreme’ left? I sit on the right, is that a crime?

Wyllow3 what do you think of Bill Gates and Larry Fink or Lord Ali cosying up to Keir Starmer and Angela Raynor?

Or is it just rich people on the right of politics you object to?

I picked up that impression too, (extreme) SWGran. Probably because of what you wrote right after it.

I will say however that I wouldn't support anyone right or left if they behaved like Musk, this unelected manipulator who threw money at the USA election including that individual vote promotors the so called "lottery" where people won a million $ in a draw after "signing up" and now has been gifted with incredible amounts of power - but not an elected figure.

The sooner they fall out, the better.

Trump celeb endorsements:

Sylvester Stallone
Buzz Aldrin
Dr Phil McGraw
Mel Gibson
Hulk Hogan
Kid Rock
Joe Rogan
Megyn Kelly
Amber rose
Jake Paul
Holly Valance
Billy Ray Cyrus
Bryce Hall
Dana White
Roseanne Barr
ames Woods
Kid Rock
Michael Rapport
Kanye West
Scott Baio
Taryn Manning

(And loads of others on lists)

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3 what do you think of Bill Gates and Larry Fink or Lord Ali cosying up to Keir Starmer and Angela Raynor?

Or is it just rich people on the right of politics you object to?

My personal view is that it depends on what political power those individuals have.

They have not been given key decision making, policy making, active "Cabinet" positions in the very heart of government government as Musk has.

Nor I do not recall any of them spouting opinions on foreign governments on X designed to unseat that government.

Gates funds charity non political NGO's but gives no money to the Labour Party: as Musk has apparently to Reform.

Fink may or may not be a business link but is not a donor nor appointee.

Reform is well on the way to destroying the existing two-party hegemony and it will happen with or without Musk's money.
Both main parties in the UK have belatedly realised that you can't betray the electorate and get away with it indefinitely.

Other POV always welcome, FGT, what do you think of Musk and his trying to influence other countries politics?

Last time I opined on the other Elon thread (much longer than this one) I got shot down.

But thank you for asking Wyllow3! 😁

I’ll lick my wounds a while and come back more fully later.