Yvette Cooper gets minced

Allira

^I didn’t make up the pun. It was somewhere on social media.^

Well there was me thinking how clever you were 😂😂😂

My brain has been like porridge for the past month. Every day I am asking someone what day it is.😢

I didn’t make up the pun. It was somewhere on social media.

Well there was me thinking how clever you were 😂😂😂

Anniebach

As in put through the wringer

Putting someone through the wringer means giving them a tough time.
I presumed minced was meant to mean the same and was also a play on words as she was handing out mince pies.

Not offensive in the least imo, but some will always find offence even when none is intended.

MaizieD

Primrose53

Anniebach

I have given up, 2024 and still use of Mandy for Peter Mandelson , and I still don’t know what ‘Minced’ means in O/P,
a wish for the death of Evette Cooper . and a post mocking her
marriage!

It’s just a pun on mince pies Anniebach. Nothing offensive.

Usually, if one says someone has been 'put through the mincer' it means that they have just about been destroyed.

Perhaps Primrose53 didn't know that when she chose to make her pun

I didn’t make up the pun. It was somewhere on social media.

I guess it did the job because it has caused a lot of discussion. 😉

Minced , mincing, never referring to women but to some men ,

Whitewavemark2

And of course we know now that it was a total set up. Unsurprisingly.

Set up?
How?
By whom?

I thought the thread title was fairly innocuous, not a threat, just a joke.
I still don't think the woman was in any way to be admired, she just sounded rude.

Iam64

I agree about the decline in debate and increase in petty, offensive posts.
It seems clear as the Queen might have said, recollections about what is offensive vary

Yes, often depending on whether you are offended by a post or not.

And of course we know now that it was a total set up. Unsurprisingly.

Really Whitewave? In what way was it set up? And by whom?

Was it?
In what way, please?

And of course we know now that it was a total set up. Unsurprisingly.

Quick bob in before the rest of the family arrive.
I’m just a bit surprised that this thread is still running.
For what it’s worth, I thought ‘minced’ probably meant destroyed, as in mincing some meat.
Since it’s not a term I use I just guessed at what was meant.

I assumed minced meant what it always means - to cut into small pieces, in this case verbally.

It may seem funny but it could also seem to applaud a threatening attack.

i thought minced meant drunk

As in put through the wringer

Primrose53

Anniebach

I have given up, 2024 and still use of Mandy for Peter Mandelson , and I still don’t know what ‘Minced’ means in O/P,
a wish for the death of Evette Cooper . and a post mocking her
marriage!

It’s just a pun on mince pies Anniebach. Nothing offensive.

Usually, if one says someone has been 'put through the mincer' it means that they have just about been destroyed.

Perhaps Primrose53 didn't know that when she chose to make her pun

I agree about the decline in debate and increase in petty, offensive posts.
It seems clear as the Queen might have said, recollections about what is offensive vary

I think Mogg set himself up deliberately to be mocked. It was part of his " act".

There has been a vein of satire running through politics for many a long year eg Punch, Spitting Image and so on.

The whole landscape seems to have changed to me for the worse. Nastier, no humanity, racism, fear.

Thank you Primrose

Will you explain what ‘Minced’ means or could you have known it was fixed ? It makes some sense if so

Anniebach

I have given up, 2024 and still use of Mandy for Peter Mandelson , and I still don’t know what ‘Minced’ means in O/P,
a wish for the death of Evette Cooper . and a post mocking her
marriage!

It’s just a pun on mince pies Anniebach. Nothing offensive.

There is often outrage on here if anybody says anything negative or amusing about anybody in the Labour party.

Remember when Conservatives were in charge and Boris was ridiculed and insulted for years, Jacob Rees- Mogg, Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Theresa May, Nadine Dories, Rishi Sunak and plenty more got their share same treatment but it seems that was OK.

I do agree with Doodledog that it is often media led but it doesn’t help when posters on here call people numpties and unable to string a sentence together because our views differ.

I have given up, 2024 and still use of Mandy for Peter Mandelson , and I still don’t know what ‘Minced’ means in O/P,
a wish for the death of Evette Cooper . and a post mocking her
marriage!

I think we just have to keep trying to make it the best we can.

For what it's worth, I think that a lot of the problem comes from a decline in media discourse. So much is expressed in slogans - 'on its knees', 'off a cliff', 'under a bus', and name calling - 'Two tier Keir', Robber Reeves' etc. They start on social media or in the press, and get repeated in conversation and pass for 'debate', but they prevent real analysis or even discussion, as nobody knows what anyone else is talking about. Anyone can repeat a 'catchy' slogan, and doing so means that they can have a dig at something or someone without having to think too deeply, and it puts people off replying, or even posting in the first place.

Obviously this suits populists, as they don't want people to ask incisive questions, or talk to one another in ways that challenge the simplistic soundbites.

I heard an interview recently in which someone said that the NHS used to be on its knees, but now it's on its face . That sort of thing is meaningless, and the whole sloganising lends itself to playground jeers and trading of insults instead of a discussion of actual issues.

I've been on GN more than five years, and whereas there have been heated threads in all that time, and disagreement about policy and personnel in politics, it's since it became obvious that Labour would win the election that the slogans and sneering has come in. It got so bad that some people were banned, others have left, and this has given the green flag to sneering and point scoring that doesn't debate very much. I suspect bots are behind some of it, but I can't be sure. What I am sure of, though, is that if people know that there are those looking for ways to shout 'Gotcha!' because their post can be read in more than one way, or that there is a minor inaccuracy or typo, it stops 'conversation' and leads to a much more stilted discourse, which is not what GN (or most discussion boards) does best.

If GN ceases to be somewhere for discussion, life will go on. More posters will leave, and find other places to post or other things to do with their time. But if discussion stops everywhere, and is replaced with second hand slogans, democracy is at risk, which is a lot more serious a prospect.