Money-grubber Farage?

Aldom

Flappergirl my understanding of Sago's post is different to yours.
In no way, is Sago condoning hunting. She simply makes the point that it is not just the wealthy and or titled people who ride to hunt.

The people who hunt aren’t your average Joe. You couldn’t buy a horse, learn to ride, and join in. They aren’t all personally rich people, but if they aren’t they have very strong connections to those who are.

Sago did not condemn fox hunting ? she voiced the reasons Farage put forward to support it, no difference , it is either right or wrong.

All people in the country have a little pony and a paddock , not the farmer labourers I knew.

Again ‘class’ comes into this , hate that word, dog fighting, popular in very poverty hit areas ? banned .

I assume those defending hunting have no problem when listening to the screams of the fox, seeing it fitting from terror ,
seen vixens trying to protect her cubs when cubbing is such a fun!
I was a hunt sabotage , I witnessed the evils of this sport ! I filmed it, please believe me, it is horrific

Flappergirl my understanding of Sago's post is different to yours.
In no way, is Sago condoning hunting. She simply makes the point that it is not just the wealthy and or titled people who ride to hunt.

It's outdated, at best now.
Not because of toffs or any other "class" of people, but because the tearing apart of animals for sport is abhorrent.

When I was growing up I used to follow the hounds on my pony. Not an expensive thing, we had a small farm & she had a small paddock in it, she shared the cattle's hay & straw, I did all the work myself after school. Taught by a friend, riding lessons too expensive, so too clipping & rugs but she was a welsh mountain pony, didn't need them. Only real expense was the farrier. My uncle was also an avid foot follower. There were a couple of toffs but there were mainly working class rural people like us.
I agree with Sago. Not that I would like to see foxhunting legalised again, I wouldn't, but it was an important part of life for so many country people.

I am hoping that more stringent control is introduced. I think it is unquestionable that hunting and killing foxes continues. It isn’t a coincidence that the fox hunting season still exists. If fox hunting had indeed been totally eliminated there would no longer be a requirement for a “season” and those claiming to be following a trail could do so at any time of the year.

"its" business model. I wish we had an edit button.

Sago

I am not necessarily condoning hunting, I am stating it’s not as exclusive as people think.

Yes, you are condoning it. There are many ways to have a "challenging ride" that don't involve putting the fear of god into a living, breathing, sentient creature and then ripping it limb from quivering limb whilst still alive once it has succumbed to exhaustion. Read those words. There is no excuse. None. Sending young boys up chimneys or ponies into mines or gawping into the bear pit at the zoo were all once considered entertainment and/or the only economically viable option. Now they are appallingly unacceptable and completely unnecessary. Why? Because civilisation evolves and we, as a species, learn and adapt. It's what we do best. If the countryside's economy hinges on something resembling the Colosseum "games" in ancient Rome, then I suggest there is something very wrong with it's business model and those in charge of it.

I wonder what the statistics are regarding fox hunting? for and against?

At least it is clear he found himself the wrong side of the bridge and tunnel again, rather than working hard for his constituents who have a unique set of problems that doesn't include fox hunting

Farage hardly needs to ‘money grub.’ He’s loaded. They eradicate foxes here, it is very cruel and often leads to other species also being killed. There seems to be a widespread hatred of them. Thankfully they stopped hunting around the time they stopped it in the UK but they used to do it in the Yarra valley near us. If the press is to be believed Farage is getting more and more popular - mainly because of the unpopularity of the current government. I think if he was PM things would be pretty scary, an unknown quantity. He could, on the other hand, be good for the country. Who knows ?

Unusual thread , very few posts supporting Farage, I very much doubt fox hunting would be part of a general election campaign .

Farage would support the death penalty if there was a cry for it,

If the majority of Brits ‘loathe hunting’ as HPQ avers perhaps that might put a bit of a brake on the rush to join Reform if Farage is a supporter of hunting…

Sago

Hunting is not just for toffs.

Having lived rurally for many years in the past and knowing people in the hunt I can state that just like shooting it is very much a rural pleasure that may attract Lords and Ladies but also agricultural workers, stable hands and many ordinary people that love a challenging ride!

When Blair imposed restrictions on hunting it was just as Starmer with private school fees a vote catcher as everyone loves a bit of “toff bashing”.

... as everyone loves a bit of “toff bashing”.

That's the kind of response which is designed to invalidate anyone who feels strongly about a cause, or who believes they have the right to hold certain people to account.

It's akin to the mockery aimed at those who think obscenely rich individuals avoiding tax, are simply filled with the 'politics of envy'.

We couldn't possibly care about exhausted animals being torn to pieces, could we - oh no, it must be 'toff' bashing...

And I've yet to hear anyone I know seriously referring to titled people with the 19th century slang, unless they're being jocular or ironic.

As a young mother walking out in the Devon country roads with my two children, one in the silver cross the other on the pram seat, a hunt came down the road and I was pushed into the hedge - It was incredibly frightening. It was as if I was invisible.

I'd just signed that petition.
Fate.

secure.peta.org.uk/page/135322/petition/1?locale=en-GB

How do the poor folk maintain horses that love a challenging ride?

I am not necessarily condoning hunting, I am stating it’s not as exclusive as people think.

“and many ordinary people that love a challenging ride!”
Sago

Does the love of a challenging ride have to involve the cruel, deliberate death of an animal?
I suggest that those who like a challenge do something useful and humane.

Well, the only encounter I had with the hunt was a very unpleasant one. The hounds had followed the fox into my back garden and they were rushing about like demented beasts. I was petrified they would find my cat. The master of the hunt made no attempt to apologise or control the hounds. I doubt if he could if he had wanted to. When I expressed my concern about my cat he was arrogant and rude.
His wife rather sheepishly turned up the next day to apologise, but I felt that was worse than anything as he couldn’t be bothered to do it himself.
Cat was fine and so was the fox sheltering in next door’s garden!
Sorry, rather a diversion post but it still makes me angry!

Sago

Hunting is not just for toffs.

Having lived rurally for many years in the past and knowing people in the hunt I can state that just like shooting it is very much a rural pleasure that may attract Lords and Ladies but also agricultural workers, stable hands and many ordinary people that love a challenging ride!

When Blair imposed restrictions on hunting it was just as Starmer with private school fees a vote catcher as everyone loves a bit of “toff bashing”.

Nope. The majority of people in this country loathe hunting

Quote Sago Fri 27-Dec-24 16:43:32
Hunting is not just for toffs.

Having lived rurally for many years in the past and knowing people in the hunt I can state that just like shooting it is very much a rural pleasure that may attract Lords and Ladies but also agricultural workers, stable hands and many ordinary people that love a challenging ride!

When Blair imposed restrictions on hunting it was just as Starmer with private school fees a vote catcher as everyone loves a bit of “toff bashing”.

Typical, I sabotaged hunts, not for people of Reform call Toffs but to stop hounding an animal to point of exhaustion then watching a pack of hound’s tearing if apart, and cubbing ? Hunting cubs for preparing young hounds for the hunt season

I don't agree Sago - if it was just toff bashing he'd have banned trail hunting too, surely?

Hunting is not just for toffs.

Having lived rurally for many years in the past and knowing people in the hunt I can state that just like shooting it is very much a rural pleasure that may attract Lords and Ladies but also agricultural workers, stable hands and many ordinary people that love a challenging ride!

When Blair imposed restrictions on hunting it was just as Starmer with private school fees a vote catcher as everyone loves a bit of “toff bashing”.

but it's not possible to follow them on horseback through the alleys and dustbins,,,