Banning legal & illegal migration for 5yrs

David49

Offensive?.

It is a fact that most women do prefer to do light indoor work, or do you have any evidence to the contrary.

Actually it is a fact that women are no different to men in their preferences. I for one would choose outdoor work, and in fact it is when I am at my happiest. Certainly since I retired.

Bricklaying and social work cannot be compared

Where exactly have you sourced this fact from David49, and do you have evidence that men prefer outdoor work? If men do, why don’t more of them choose construction as a career?

Offensive?.

It is a fact that most women do prefer to do light indoor work, or do you have any evidence to the contrary.

Iam64

Casdon

David49

There is plenty of physical work done on building sites, although it’s not as demanding as it used to be, pay is good too if you have the skills, physically women could easily do the work, judging by the women at the gym I go to plenty are fit enough and strong enough, these days of equality it’s rather disappointing, but they prefer to do easy indoor work.

It’s more that they can’t put up with all the sexist crap they get on building sites I would think. Plenty of women do outdoor work, gardening being an obvious example.

Your dismissive comment about ‘easy indoor work’ is extremely offensive and misogynistic

Yes, quite astonishing!

I'm just wondering if decorating is easy indoor work although sometimes it involves being outside, climbing ladders and scaffolding if painting the outside of houses?

Is bricklaying easier or more difficult than social work?
Or policing? Going to crime scenes?

NotSpaghetti

Yes. It is.
I hadn't heard about it.
I have to say it does seem to be a rather silly petition though!

And if new, a duplicate of the one that ran last spring - which also seemed rather silly to me.

I hadn’t seen that one either- I don’t particularly go looking for those types of petitions!

Casdon

David49

There is plenty of physical work done on building sites, although it’s not as demanding as it used to be, pay is good too if you have the skills, physically women could easily do the work, judging by the women at the gym I go to plenty are fit enough and strong enough, these days of equality it’s rather disappointing, but they prefer to do easy indoor work.

It’s more that they can’t put up with all the sexist crap they get on building sites I would think. Plenty of women do outdoor work, gardening being an obvious example.

Your dismissive comment about ‘easy indoor work’ is extremely offensive and misogynistic

David49

There is plenty of physical work done on building sites, although it’s not as demanding as it used to be, pay is good too if you have the skills, physically women could easily do the work, judging by the women at the gym I go to plenty are fit enough and strong enough, these days of equality it’s rather disappointing, but they prefer to do easy indoor work.

It’s more that they can’t put up with all the sexist crap they get on building sites I would think. Plenty of women do outdoor work, gardening being an obvious example.

TerriBull

My maternal grandparents retired to the Sussex coast. My mother often lamented their foolishness with "what a daft thing to do full of retirees" When my parents retired what did they do? Up sticks, leave my hometown in Surrey and move down to the Sussex coast. The primeval pull was clearly too great, they just couldn't fight it

I know there's nothing I like better than sitting facing the sea trying to invoke those memories of my previous amphibious life.

Whereas I am hating living on the coast and long to get back to a city away from the coast. Maybe I'm not really human and came from a dry planet far far away.

There is plenty of physical work done on building sites, although it’s not as demanding as it used to be, pay is good too if you have the skills, physically women could easily do the work, judging by the women at the gym I go to plenty are fit enough and strong enough, these days of equality it’s rather disappointing, but they prefer to do easy indoor work.

Yes. It is.
I hadn't heard about it.
I have to say it does seem to be a rather silly petition though!

And if new, a duplicate of the one that ran last spring - which also seemed rather silly to me.

Absolutely not politicsnerd, I was interested that no one had commented on GN. I only saw it because a friend had sent me a link to sign to support the waspi woman.
This GN forum I thought was to discuss any topic!

PoliticsNerd

Mt61

Just seen this petition last night- any thoughts?

Why would you do that?

Why would Mt61 do what?

Post about it? Make us aware that there is another petition which is worrying?

growstuff

M0nica

David49 That may have applied 50 or 60 years ago, but it does not apply now. From power tools, to cranes to ramped up HSE rules, the construction industry is now very, very different from what it was, and many of those working in the trade are highly qualified tradesmen using high tech equipment requiring brains rather than brawn.

I agree with you. By coincidence, that's exactly what the trade organisations are saying. In order to increase the number of people available, one of the action points they'd like is for there to better information about the opportunities available in the construction industry. It worked for STEM subjects, so there's no reason it shouldn't work for construction.

I am so glad to read these comments.

M0nica

David49 That may have applied 50 or 60 years ago, but it does not apply now. From power tools, to cranes to ramped up HSE rules, the construction industry is now very, very different from what it was, and many of those working in the trade are highly qualified tradesmen using high tech equipment requiring brains rather than brawn.

I agree with you. By coincidence, that's exactly what the trade organisations are saying. In order to increase the number of people available, one of the action points they'd like is for there to better information about the opportunities available in the construction industry. It worked for STEM subjects, so there's no reason it shouldn't work for construction.

Mt61

Just seen this petition last night- any thoughts?

Why would you do that?

Shinamae totally agree, my grandson is a skilled carpenter and the youngest site manager for a large construction company, he's extremely well paid and loves his job.

foxie48

I think some of the comments on here are representative of why there's a shortage of construction workers. Construction workers are viewed as being low skilled labourers so many young people leaving school don't see these skilled trades as a suitable career even though they can lead to well paid careers with lots of opportunities.

We have used the same builder for the last 25 years, he's done all sorts of work for us, from building an extension to changing radiator valves . He is very skilled at just about every single aspect of building work. As his family has grown up most have joined the business and are equally skilled.

It's sad that people can be dismissive of the building trade.

foxie48

I think some of the comments on here are representative of why there's a shortage of construction workers. Construction workers are viewed as being low skilled labourers so many young people leaving school don't see these skilled trades as a suitable career even though they can lead to well paid careers with lots of opportunities.

My son has been a bricklayer for 20 years and I can assure you he earns very very good money..
Hardly a low skilled job..

I think some of the comments on here are representative of why there's a shortage of construction workers. Construction workers are viewed as being low skilled labourers so many young people leaving school don't see these skilled trades as a suitable career even though they can lead to well paid careers with lots of opportunities.

Not brickies or labourers

David49 That may have applied 50 or 60 years ago, but it does not apply now. From power tools, to cranes to ramped up HSE rules, the construction industry is now very, very different from what it was, and many of those working in the trade are highly qualified tradesmen using high tech equipment requiring brains rather than brawn.

David49

M0nica

Lack of Construction workers dates back to the 1950s, when big companies like McAlpines were recruiting workers from Ireland in their thousands, 'McAlpines Fusiliers' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McAlpine%27s_Fusiliers .

The construction industry has always depended on immigrants.

Construction industry relies on physical work which is why only those who have no easier option do it. We should have more women working in the industry, equal opportunities!.

Women were discouraged from engineering/construction/plumbing/electrician type work by culture and misogyny. Equal opportunities benefit from general acceptance that women can do the job as well as men. There’s often a physical strength difference but the biggest push back as ever, comes from men.

Good idea so it won't happen.

M0nica

Lack of Construction workers dates back to the 1950s, when big companies like McAlpines were recruiting workers from Ireland in their thousands, 'McAlpines Fusiliers' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McAlpine%27s_Fusiliers .

The construction industry has always depended on immigrants.

Construction industry relies on physical work which is why only those who have no easier option do it. We should have more women working in the industry, equal opportunities!.