Banning legal & illegal migration for 5yrs

This petition will be signed by Neanderthals. Those limited xenophobic intelligence, who would probably vote for govt to subsidise beer and drugs.
Racist and delusional. Pakistani doctors ironically have been treating some of the Farij rioters in the midlands. No evidence that Pakistani immigrants are somehow "bad people" emanating from a dodgy culture. These people who think that are racist. The NHS is full of immigrants....mostly wearing blue uniforms and stethoscopes. All the nonsense by Bad Enough and NF is just mesmerising nonsense. Even my grandchildren tell me off when I listen to these people on TV. They call them naughty people.
Where is the independent evidence that says Immigrants Assylum seekers and refugees are a drain on society and who is stopping a Gammon from going about his business. (and no migration watch is not a neutral independent or fair minded organisation) - Personally I think it should be banned.
It reminds me of Alf Garnet accusing the nearest coloured person of nicking his place in a hospital waiting room. The evidence is probably in the same fairly tale book of nonsense used in Brexit. The word indigenous means racist. I just cannot see why immigrants are blamed. If we need doctors then the solution is simple:
Stop the tuition fees for those born here or naturalised UK citizens, Stop out sourcing critical infra structure, build more small hospitals. A small well run hospital is far better than a giant behemoth of a building.

Lack of Construction workers dates back to the 1950s, when big companies like McAlpines were recruiting workers from Ireland in their thousands, 'McAlpines Fusiliers' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McAlpine%27s_Fusiliers .

The construction industry has always depended on immigrants.

Syracute - yes indeed

Allira

If you think about it too deeply you start to wonder why we have borders, countries .....

It is exactly this though isn’t it?
Why should anyone be forced to stay in a place of war or dysfunction ? Just stay where you are die, starve…

Wonder why there isn't a big take up. Is it big firms only with limited locations?

growstuff

Witzend

Monica, I dare say plenty of school leavers who’d be perfectly capable of being trained as doctors, can’t find university places because numbers are restricted, and have been so for a long time. And that’s largely because successive governments have chosen to rely on poaching doctors from countries that have funded their own people’s training.

Witzend I doubt very much whether school leavers who have the potential to be doctors become NEETs. School leavers who narrowly miss out on the qualifications to train to do medicine usually opt to train in another skilled medical field. They don't miss out on medical school and say "That's it. I can't be a doctor, so I'll sit around and do nothing all day".

I wasn’t in any way implying that they’d be either NEETS or idle. Just saying that we could almost certainly train more doctors of our own - and stop needing to poach them from other countries (often poorer ones) if the funding for more medical school places was available.

foxie48

"The UK has been struggling with a construction skills shortage for some years now. In 2021, it was estimated that 75% of all UK contractors were having problems recruiting skilled workers. The latest CITB figures suggest that the UK needs an extra 251,500 construction workers by 2028 to meet expected levels of work."

I’m not sure why we have such a shortage, there’s no end of gov backed schemes in partnership with the bag construction companies and a further separate scheme for women in construction. All schemes have different pathways, ie brick laying, scaffolders, etc etc

Yes, further to comments above, everyone in Europe emigrated from Africa.
13,000 years ago, what is now Britain was under ice. Ancestors of everyone now living in Britain migrated here in the millenia after the ice melted. Some came from the now submerged Doggerland. Has anyone seen the depressing forecast of what will remain of Britain in 2100? We will be on the move again.

How much do I love the sea.
This was my home for 15 years and another for 5 years before that.

My maternal grandparents retired to the Sussex coast. My mother often lamented their foolishness with "what a daft thing to do full of retirees" When my parents retired what did they do? Up sticks, leave my hometown in Surrey and move down to the Sussex coast. The primeval pull was clearly too great, they just couldn't fight it

I know there's nothing I like better than sitting facing the sea trying to invoke those memories of my previous amphibious life.

TerriBull

First life on earth crawled out of the water allegedly! I reckon that's why so many retire to the seaside, some sort of primeval urge to crawl right back from whence we came.

😁
I do love the coast, miss it a lot.

If you think about it too deeply you start to wonder why we have borders, countries .....

First life on earth crawled out of the water allegedly! I reckon that's why so many retire to the seaside, some sort of primeval urge to crawl right back from whence we came.

Allira

The dinosaurs were here first.

😂😂😂

What about the amoeba?

The dinosaurs were here first.

The word "indigenous" is used as a deference to the people who have settled in any one place for the longest length of time It doesn't necessarily make them the original indigenous. Many of the tribes in the Americas came across The Bering Straits over thousands of years and worked their way down the whole land mass, as opposed to the "recently" arrived Europeans,, but who knows who they fought with and what territorial skirmishes occurred with other groups of more established tribal communities millenniums ago.

Wyllow3

Using the word "indigenous" in the UK context is meaningless really as its now a contested word in for example Australia where there are a real identifiable First Peoples population.
Looks suspiciously like an attempt for an "us and them" definition of UK citizens.

in for example Australia where there are a real identifiable First Peoples population.

It's more complicated than that.
There are still disputes about who can qualify as having Aboriginal identity. You cannot look at someone and know by their appearance. Someone may have fair hair and blue eyes but still claim Aboriginal descent through an ancestor.

Torres Strait Islanders are also considered to be indigenous.

Whitewavemark2

There are no “indigenous” Britons.

We're mostly mongrels.

There are no “indigenous” Britons.

Using the word "indigenous" in the UK context is meaningless really as its now a contested word in for example Australia where there are a real identifiable First Peoples population.
Looks suspiciously like an attempt for an "us and them" definition of UK citizens.

Allira

growstuff

Allira

growstuff

Allira

nanna8

How can you petition against unauthorised entry? Makes no sense. As for regular migration,there are a lot of jobs that the indigenous population ( i.e.white Anglo Saxons) don’t seem to want to do or are not qualified for.

The white Anglo-Saxons were immigrants.

The indigenous population are the Ancient Britons, who probably became the Welsh and Cornish.

Even the ancient Britons weren't the original inhabitants.

True, the Neanderthals were here first but they died out, only to live on in us.

Not just Neanderthals. Remains of humans have been found which have DNA from people who originated in the steppes. The Celts weren't the first humans to be indigenous in Britain. I don't understand why people seem to think that history will stop and the people who lived in Britain 100 years ago will be a baseline for ever more.

Well, I didn't say that at all, did I.

I just pointed out that Anglo-Saxons were not the original inhabitants of Britain.

I know and I didn't dispute it. I'm sorry if you were offended. All I was doing was developing your point even further.

The idea that Anglo-Saxons are somehow indigenous and the original Brits is nonsense.

(I mean in the UK)

I think we now have to be cautious using the word "indigenous" as it's now being politicised for questionable reasons.

growstuff

Allira

growstuff

Allira

nanna8

How can you petition against unauthorised entry? Makes no sense. As for regular migration,there are a lot of jobs that the indigenous population ( i.e.white Anglo Saxons) don’t seem to want to do or are not qualified for.

The white Anglo-Saxons were immigrants.

The indigenous population are the Ancient Britons, who probably became the Welsh and Cornish.

Even the ancient Britons weren't the original inhabitants.

True, the Neanderthals were here first but they died out, only to live on in us.

Not just Neanderthals. Remains of humans have been found which have DNA from people who originated in the steppes. The Celts weren't the first humans to be indigenous in Britain. I don't understand why people seem to think that history will stop and the people who lived in Britain 100 years ago will be a baseline for ever more.

Well, I didn't say that at all, did I.

I just pointed out that Anglo-Saxons were not the original inhabitants of Britain.

Whitewavemark2

Actually if we are looking for accuracy and the British, only 7000 years ago we were simply Northern Europeans - not British, of whatever ancestry.

Then dogger-land(sp?) was flooded and those occupying this peninsular were cut off from the mainland.

But that isn’t the end of the story - there was freedom of movement back then 😄😄. (Clearly a very civilised and open minded society) and people drifted around the continent, bringing skills, fresh DNA and cultures with them.

My children’s DNA show only Celt and French DNA.

The point I was trying to make is that there will never be an end to the story - until the earth destroys itself. It's possible to take any point in time and claim the people who inhabit a particular place are 'indigenous'.