Banning legal & illegal migration for 5yrs

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Wyllow3

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foxie48

There's also a shortage of skilled trades people to build new houses.

I know, but why is that? Is it because we're not training enough (because the opportunities aren't there) or because people don't want to work in construction?

Often it's the training. The schemes for young people I posted above means increasing apprenticeships which cant be done overnight.

That's what my gut feeling tells me too. The solution is relatively long-term, but involves government intervention (probably in conjunction with major construction companies) to incentivise the provision of more training places. It will require investment, but is feasible.

This seems to be a really good idea -we need housing desperately, we haven't enough skilled workers, we have young people needing training, we have some migrants arriving either with skills or who could join the training.

It's been a growing problem for so long, and presumably it was believed by previous governments that 'market forces" would do the job, but it clearly wont. How do we finance these apprenticeships with so many demands soon the public purse?

Looking at the migration issue.

IMO - none of it will be properly solved until countries come together to try to solve the issue through quotas etc.

It ain’t going to happen is it?

Actually if we are looking for accuracy and the British, only 7000 years ago we were simply Northern Europeans - not British, of whatever ancestry.

Then dogger-land(sp?) was flooded and those occupying this peninsular were cut off from the mainland.

But that isn’t the end of the story - there was freedom of movement back then 😄😄. (Clearly a very civilised and open minded society) and people drifted around the continent, bringing skills, fresh DNA and cultures with them.

My children’s DNA show only Celt and French DNA.

Wyllow3

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foxie48

There's also a shortage of skilled trades people to build new houses.

I know, but why is that? Is it because we're not training enough (because the opportunities aren't there) or because people don't want to work in construction?

Often it's the training. The schemes for young people I posted above means increasing apprenticeships which cant be done overnight.

That's what my gut feeling tells me too. The solution is relatively long-term, but involves government intervention (probably in conjunction with major construction companies) to incentivise the provision of more training places. It will require investment, but is feasible.

Witzend I don't know if this is still true but my consultant brother-in-law once said you can only "manage" a limited number of doctors in training.
Just like class sizes in schools (but with catastrophic issues if you fail) the senior staff were already supervising too many.

I think this was about 10 years ago.

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foxie48

There's also a shortage of skilled trades people to build new houses.

I know, but why is that? Is it because we're not training enough (because the opportunities aren't there) or because people don't want to work in construction?

Often it's the training. The schemes for young people I posted above means increasing apprenticeships which cant be done overnight.

Witzend

*Monica*, I dare say plenty of school leavers who’d be perfectly capable of being trained as doctors, can’t find university places because numbers are restricted, and have been so for a long time. And that’s largely because successive governments have chosen to rely on poaching doctors from countries that have funded their own people’s training.

Witzend I doubt very much whether school leavers who have the potential to be doctors become NEETs. School leavers who narrowly miss out on the qualifications to train to do medicine usually opt to train in another skilled medical field. They don't miss out on medical school and say "That's it. I can't be a doctor, so I'll sit around and do nothing all day".

A reply to points above re young people and unemployment/ work and also "get Britain Working"

specifics on young people
news.sky.com/story/young-people-to-lose-benefits-if-they-refuse-work-and-training-says-minister-13259843

Getting Britain back to work Nov 24
www.gov.uk/government/publications/get-britain-working-white-paper/get-britain-working-white-paper.

No magic fixes - you have to provide the back ups necessary.

foxie48

There's also a shortage of skilled trades people to build new houses.

I know, but why is that? Is it because we're not training enough (because the opportunities aren't there) or because people don't want to work in construction?

The migrants I see I walking, or on bikes wandering around town during the day, is that because they aren’t allowed to work?

I would say so.

Monica, I dare say plenty of school leavers who’d be perfectly capable of being trained as doctors, can’t find university places because numbers are restricted, and have been so for a long time. And that’s largely because successive governments have chosen to rely on poaching doctors from countries that have funded their own people’s training.

"The UK has been struggling with a construction skills shortage for some years now. In 2021, it was estimated that 75% of all UK contractors were having problems recruiting skilled workers. The latest CITB figures suggest that the UK needs an extra 251,500 construction workers by 2028 to meet expected levels of work."

There's also a shortage of skilled trades people to build new houses.

Witzend

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the fact remains that we don’t have nearly enough decent, affordable housing for those already here, whether locals or immigrants.

So build more - and train some of the NEETS to build them.

Allira

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Allira

nanna8

How can you petition against unauthorised entry? Makes no sense. As for regular migration,there are a lot of jobs that the indigenous population ( i.e.white Anglo Saxons) don’t seem to want to do or are not qualified for.

The white Anglo-Saxons were immigrants.

The indigenous population are the Ancient Britons, who probably became the Welsh and Cornish.

Even the ancient Britons weren't the original inhabitants.

True, the Neanderthals were here first but they died out, only to live on in us.

Not just Neanderthals. Remains of humans have been found which have DNA from people who originated in the steppes. The Celts weren't the first humans to be indigenous in Britain. I don't understand why people seem to think that history will stop and the people who lived in Britain 100 years ago will be a baseline for ever more.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the fact remains that we don’t have nearly enough decent, affordable housing for those already here, whether locals or immigrants.

The majority of NEETS do not ahve the high-skill quaalifications or training needed to replace foreign doctors and nurses in our hospitals, teachers in our schools, skilled engineers or IT specialist, and I wonder how many of them would have the level of ability to be capable of doing this work if trained.

We do need legal migration for sure!

Wyllow3

Those round the corner aren't allowed to work M61, perhaps you didn't realise, until they have been assessed and given appropriate papers and status, if they qualify for asylum, however much they might long to.

Yes that’s why I am asking as I don’t know- nothing wrong with learning about the situation.

Obviously idiotic.

That must be the worst petition I know about.

Why ban legal migration?
We need skilled workers in certain professions.

I dont feel the need to discuss that petition any further.

Those round the corner aren't allowed to work M61, perhaps you didn't realise, until they have been assessed and given appropriate papers and status, if they qualify for asylum, however much they might long to.

Wyllow3

*M61*I feel you are mixing up legal immigrants who have come to work and study, and migrants who have arrived and have to be processed before they can work.

Processing has a huge backlog because little was done when the Rwanda "solve it all" solution was being mooted.

We know that economically and socially at present we could not function. without immigration especially in certain sectors.

I feel you are demonising a whole group of people from your observations of a few yet you admit yourself how could your Dad have coped without that help?

No you are certainly wrong there! I know the the people who looked after dad were mostly south Asian & legal to work, except one who was from Kenya- he said he was an engineer & owned an engineering factory but the bit I don’t get he said he wanted to bring his wife & kids over here & get her into the care side of things.
No I mean these people who are staying in the hotel around the corner- who aren’t working, they are not here on a permit.
I am not demonising anyone.

M61I feel you are mixing up legal immigrants who have come to work and study, and migrants who have arrived and have to be processed before they can work.

Processing has a huge backlog because little was done when the Rwanda "solve it all" solution was being mooted.

We know that economically and socially at present we could not function. without immigration especially in certain sectors.

I feel you are demonising a whole group of people from your observations of a few yet you admit yourself how could your Dad have coped without that help?

Mt61

Jaxjacky

I certainly wouldn’t want a truculent 16-24 year old providing support/care to anyone I care about Sarnia.

Nor me, I would not of liked a 16-24 who has no vocation of doing a job of caring, looking after my dad.
The migrants I see I walking, or on bikes wandering around town during the day, is that because they aren’t allowed to work?

The Eastern Europeans, apart from the Ukraine people aren’t fighting any wars, so why do they need to come over here?
We have six car washes in this small town, loads of Turkish barber shops!
I am all for looking after the genuine ones who are fleeing from war torn countries but I don’t think a lot are tbh.

The Eastern Europeans, apart from the Ukraine people aren’t fighting any wars, so why do they need to come over here?

Same reason my family emigrated, I suppose. Better opportunities?

Our window cleaner is from Eastern Europe (not Ukraine) and some of my family are too.