Banning legal & illegal migration for 5yrs

Yes miss.

David49

I’m no more misogynist than women are misandrist, women can take on almost any career they choose. Men choose not to do roles that women do in exactly the same way women choose not to do those that men do.
Maybe there should be a law that says both sexes should represented equally in all roles.

Ultimately, the goal should be to empower individuals to pursue their passions and careers without the constraints of gender stereotypes, while also recognizing and addressing systemic barriers that may exist. This is to the advantage of both the individual and society.

Who would not want that, other than those whose ill-gotten privileges give them unearned gains by stripping out legitimate competition?

David49 equality of opportunity is not about treating everyone the same, it's about recognising and removing the barriers that exist that prevent equality. If you take your last statement and apply it to other groups that are disadvataged in society it's easy to see why your suggestion is not viable.

David49

I’m no more misogynist than women are misandrist, women can take on almost any career they choose. Men choose not to do roles that women do in exactly the same way women choose not to do those that men do.
Maybe there should be a law that says both sexes should represented equally in all roles.

Over 60% of medical students in the UK are female. Only 30% are at consultant level at the moment , but this must, inevitably accelerate.

Farming is an old man's profession. As i have pointed out on another thread the average age of farmers, worldwide, is around 60. Farming is not an attractive profession, so it is not surprising that in an aging profession, there are relatively few women. there are relativly few young men either.

I’m no more misogynist than women are misandrist, women can take on almost any career they choose. Men choose not to do roles that women do in exactly the same way women choose not to do those that men do.
Maybe there should be a law that says both sexes should represented equally in all roles.

David49

Provocative, yes but when I see women taking on traditional male roles in serious numbers I will believe that equality is actually happening, until then - - - - .

Hmmm when I see men taking on equal shares of childcare and domestic stuff alongside working full time - well, I’ll go to the foot of our stairs

Sadly I think it is the culture in some occupations that is the biggest barrier to woman. We have a consultant surgeon in the extended family, she has met a lot of misogyny whilst training and my own daughter considered surgery but decided against it because she didn't like the culture so she chose anaesthetics instead. One of her school friends is a graduate civil engineer and she said she needs strong boots, a hard hat and a thick skin when she goes to work, especially when she was fairly junior. It seems it's not women who are the problem, it's the men!

The differences between the type of work undertaken by the sexes seem to be more pronounced in societies which are considered more equal, it is a complex picture and quite difficult to unpick.

Allira

growstuff

David49

Provocative, yes but when I see women taking on traditional male roles in serious numbers I will believe that equality is actually happening, until then - - - - .

Why do you think it isn't happening?

Could it be that there are still lingering misogynistic attitudes around like David49's?

Well, it certainly could be the case.

This survey found 58% of farm vets are women.
www.ukvetlivestock.com/content/professional/why-arent-students-choosing-farm-animal-practice-and-what-can-be-done-about-it/#:~:text=We%20surveyed%20our%20farm%20and,are%20not%20from%20farming%20backgrounds.

Look the light indoor work was an unfortunate statement ( and that's being kind) but there is an interesting conversation to be had here.

growstuff

David49

Provocative, yes but when I see women taking on traditional male roles in serious numbers I will believe that equality is actually happening, until then - - - - .

Why do you think it isn't happening?

Could it be that there are still lingering misogynistic attitudes around like David49's?

Vets, 90% of vets work is cats and dogs etc

No, untrue.

David49

Provocative, yes but when I see women taking on traditional male roles in serious numbers I will believe that equality is actually happening, until then - - - - .

Why do you think it isn't happening?

Farmers, more these days, possibly 5%
That is totally wrong.

But, please do carry on with your dismissive views of women.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/agricultural-workforce-in-england-at-1-june/agricultural-workforce-in-england-at-1-june-2023#:~:text=Sex%20and%20age%20group,aged%2065%20years%20or%20older.
Farmers a lot more than 5%.

I think the current figure for women in construction is 1 %.

Allira

David49

Offensive?.

It is a fact that most women do prefer to do light indoor work, or do you have any evidence to the contrary.

Veterinary surgeons? Have you ever watched The Yorkshire Vet?
Surgeons - oh, of course, they work indoors. My mistake.
Paramedics
Farmers
Outdoor expedition leaders

To name a few.

Vets, 90% of vets work is cats and dogs etc, vet schools do positively discriminate in favour of men!, too many women apply.
Surgeons, not many women surgeons, lots of GPs
Significant number of paramedics that’s good
Farmers, more these days, possibly 5%
Why not be an expedition leader

Provocative, yes but when I see women taking on traditional male roles in serious numbers I will believe that equality is actually happening, until then - - - - .

Iam64

Are yiu being deliberately provocative and rude David?
Anniebach is correct, no comparison between brick laying for example and social work. There’s no way on earth social work, nursing or teaching for example, work that attracts many women - can be described as light work

It was me who mentioned bricklaying and social work because comparing the two would be ridiculous.

Bricklaying always looks so soothing.

David49

Offensive?.

It is a fact that most women do prefer to do light indoor work, or do you have any evidence to the contrary.

Veterinary surgeons? Have you ever watched The Yorkshire Vet?
Surgeons - oh, of course, they work indoors. My mistake.
Paramedics
Farmers
Outdoor expedition leaders

To name a few.

Are yiu being deliberately provocative and rude David?
Anniebach is correct, no comparison between brick laying for example and social work. There’s no way on earth social work, nursing or teaching for example, work that attracts many women - can be described as light work

Wyllow3

You think that the physical nature of the nursing and caring professions are "light indoor work? 😡

I have worked in care homes now for over 20 years and is quite physically demanding and mentally challenging but I absolutely love it. Money is absolute rubbish but the job satisfaction is tremendous…

Mt61

Absolutely not politicsnerd, I was interested that no one had commented on GN. I only saw it because a friend had sent me a link to sign to support the waspi woman.
This GN forum I thought was to discuss any topic!

It is (within the law an GN rules)) .

I think you may have misconstrued my post. In which case my apologies for not being clear enough. It was a comment on what the heading said, nothing more.

You think that the physical nature of the nursing and caring professions are "light indoor work? 😡