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Cheer up, Bridget, your lucky day is nigh!

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Sarnia Mon 30-Dec-24 09:30:58

Notagranyet24

Who was it said 'you can't please all of the people all of the time'?
Where I live, I discovered recently that children were being bussed or driven from Swindon to Stroud and vice versa and similarly from Stroud to Cheltenham. Madness. A well funded state school system is surely better value than a few children getting into the private system?
Exclusivity is hardly the way forward to a cohesive society?

Absolutely. Minibuses come from miles away to bring children to the specialist school where my GD goes. The cost to all local education authorities is eye-watering and with more and more children being diagnosed with additional needs this will only increase.
However, mainstream schools have not been invested in by both Tory and Labour Governments for decades but had their funding cut every year so those children with special educational needs have struggled hence the number going to specialist schools. Once the local authority have awarded an EHCP they are liable for transport to and from that school. As you say, Madness but children are entitled to an education, hence the move to private.

escaped Mon 30-Dec-24 09:24:18

Whitewavemark2

TheatreLover

Are you referring to the expected income from the VAT on private school fees?

£500,000,000 😄😄😄.

Oops. Sorry. 😆

£50,000,000. Typo, though I quickly read it this morning.
Someone help me if my figures are out please, I'm on a train to London, poor WiFi. £1.5 billion was mentioned for the coming academic year??
Whatever, the point is seeing it well spent.

TheatreLover Mon 30-Dec-24 09:23:14

I had always assumed that VAT paid, from whatever source, is credited to a 'VAT pot'. If this is so, does anyone know if it is possible for the VAT paid on school fees to be transferred to educational services specifically?

Notagranyet24 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:45:13

Who was it said 'you can't please all of the people all of the time'?
Where I live, I discovered recently that children were being bussed or driven from Swindon to Stroud and vice versa and similarly from Stroud to Cheltenham. Madness. A well funded state school system is surely better value than a few children getting into the private system?
Exclusivity is hardly the way forward to a cohesive society?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:44:13

It is good to see that the 93% of our children will gain from the anomaly which allowed certain businesses to become very wealthy as a result of tax breaks at our expense.

Of course those privileges that 7% of our children so enjoy will continue, but at least there is a little fairness and re-adjustment being put back into the system.

I fully support the idea of tax being used to create a more equal society.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:36:43

Posted too soon.

Yes! Of course that is it. Clever theatrelover .

Sarnia Mon 30-Dec-24 08:36:03

The OP's maths is on a par with Phillipson.
State schools in this country have been allowed, under both major parties watch, to deteriorate to critical levels. In an ideal world a student with additional needs should be educated in a mainstream school with specialist support and resources available at that school. This would save local education authorities enormous amounts of money but instead, Governments have cut funding to state mainstream schools year on year.
A GD of mine has dyslexia and also an EHCP (a statement of educational aims tailored to her needs). Her state Primary School was unable to meet the EHCP and could not afford to employ a specialist dyslexia teacher and TA in order to deliver her an education. The costings showed it was cheaper to send her to a private school. Remember that escaped. Her parents spent 2 years battling with the county education department to secure her a place at a nearby private dyslexia specialist school.
Under Phillipson's scheme those children without an EHCP and with parents and family who cannot find the increase in fees, will have to go back to mainstream education that couldn't cope in the first place. State schools are overcrowded as it is. Where are the extra places being found?
The wealthy won't even notice the VAT increase in their fees but so many others will. As per usual Labour have not looked at the bigger picture and the impact it will have on those students who are in private education because of special educational needs.
Shame on Starmer and Phillipson. The OP is 'genuinely pleased' well good for them because this will affect the future of many young people with additional needs who will find themselves back in mainstream that couldn't cope with them in the first place and will have a knock-on effect on their futures.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:33:25

TheatreLover

Are you referring to the expected income from the VAT on private school fees?

£500,000,000 😄😄😄.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:31:55

I can give more information about the money mentioned in the budget, but not the “trchnically speaking”(🤔?) money.

TheatreLover Mon 30-Dec-24 08:31:41

Are you referring to the expected income from the VAT on private school fees?

Oopsadaisy1 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:28:56

Does this money include monies needed for rebuilding schools that have structural issues? Or is it just for actual education?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 30-Dec-24 08:22:01

Can you give me more information regarding this “financial windfall”

Are you talking about the budget or something else?

escaped Mon 30-Dec-24 08:08:14

Hopefully, the Education Secretary will do away with that grumpy face now that her Department is instantly £500,000,000 better off from 1st January, technically speaking.

I'm genuinely pleased for every state school in the land, because that is how a caring educationalist thinks, despite their political persuasions. Though there will undoubtedly be flaws to the policy.

All being well, GNs' DGC and others will benefit from the windfall which will repeat itself three times a year. Let's hope we notice a big difference for our DGC not just in 2 or 3 years' time when the promised new teachers will have been trained, but next week even. There should be no excuses about the money needing to be used elsewhere in order to fill in the black hole.

I know for sure what I would do with that cash injection to make immediate improvements to pupils' lives. There's an awful lot hanging on this one for Keir Starmer and Bridget Phillipson. 🤞