Cheer up, Bridget, your lucky day is nigh!

Can you give me more information regarding this “financial windfall”

Are you talking about the budget or something else?

Does this money include monies needed for rebuilding schools that have structural issues? Or is it just for actual education?

Are you referring to the expected income from the VAT on private school fees?

I can give more information about the money mentioned in the budget, but not the “trchnically speaking”(🤔?) money.

TheatreLover

Are you referring to the expected income from the VAT on private school fees?

£500,000,000 😄😄😄.

The OP's maths is on a par with Phillipson.
State schools in this country have been allowed, under both major parties watch, to deteriorate to critical levels. In an ideal world a student with additional needs should be educated in a mainstream school with specialist support and resources available at that school. This would save local education authorities enormous amounts of money but instead, Governments have cut funding to state mainstream schools year on year.
A GD of mine has dyslexia and also an EHCP (a statement of educational aims tailored to her needs). Her state Primary School was unable to meet the EHCP and could not afford to employ a specialist dyslexia teacher and TA in order to deliver her an education. The costings showed it was cheaper to send her to a private school. Remember that escaped. Her parents spent 2 years battling with the county education department to secure her a place at a nearby private dyslexia specialist school.
Under Phillipson's scheme those children without an EHCP and with parents and family who cannot find the increase in fees, will have to go back to mainstream education that couldn't cope in the first place. State schools are overcrowded as it is. Where are the extra places being found?
The wealthy won't even notice the VAT increase in their fees but so many others will. As per usual Labour have not looked at the bigger picture and the impact it will have on those students who are in private education because of special educational needs.
Shame on Starmer and Phillipson. The OP is 'genuinely pleased' well good for them because this will affect the future of many young people with additional needs who will find themselves back in mainstream that couldn't cope with them in the first place and will have a knock-on effect on their futures.

Posted too soon.

Yes! Of course that is it. Clever theatrelover .

It is good to see that the 93% of our children will gain from the anomaly which allowed certain businesses to become very wealthy as a result of tax breaks at our expense.

Of course those privileges that 7% of our children so enjoy will continue, but at least there is a little fairness and re-adjustment being put back into the system.

I fully support the idea of tax being used to create a more equal society.

Who was it said 'you can't please all of the people all of the time'?
Where I live, I discovered recently that children were being bussed or driven from Swindon to Stroud and vice versa and similarly from Stroud to Cheltenham. Madness. A well funded state school system is surely better value than a few children getting into the private system?
Exclusivity is hardly the way forward to a cohesive society?

I had always assumed that VAT paid, from whatever source, is credited to a 'VAT pot'. If this is so, does anyone know if it is possible for the VAT paid on school fees to be transferred to educational services specifically?

Whitewavemark2

TheatreLover

Are you referring to the expected income from the VAT on private school fees?

£500,000,000 😄😄😄.

Oops. Sorry. 😆

£50,000,000. Typo, though I quickly read it this morning.
Someone help me if my figures are out please, I'm on a train to London, poor WiFi. £1.5 billion was mentioned for the coming academic year??
Whatever, the point is seeing it well spent.

Notagranyet24

Who was it said 'you can't please all of the people all of the time'?
Where I live, I discovered recently that children were being bussed or driven from Swindon to Stroud and vice versa and similarly from Stroud to Cheltenham. Madness. A well funded state school system is surely better value than a few children getting into the private system?
Exclusivity is hardly the way forward to a cohesive society?

Absolutely. Minibuses come from miles away to bring children to the specialist school where my GD goes. The cost to all local education authorities is eye-watering and with more and more children being diagnosed with additional needs this will only increase.
However, mainstream schools have not been invested in by both Tory and Labour Governments for decades but had their funding cut every year so those children with special educational needs have struggled hence the number going to specialist schools. Once the local authority have awarded an EHCP they are liable for transport to and from that school. As you say, Madness but children are entitled to an education, hence the move to private.

Sarnia yes, I remember your past threads. I sympathise.
I've accepted that this would happen, and that it wont be fair for some, and that it is costing me more as a school fee's payer, but I'm trying to see the overall benefits in a different light to my usual fixed tunnelled stance.

Only those with highly complex needs go to specialist schools in my authority, the others (still with complex needs) are educated within mainstream. For a large section of those children mainstream provision is not working.

TheatreLover

I had always assumed that VAT paid, from whatever source, is credited to a 'VAT pot'. If this is so, does anyone know if it is possible for the VAT paid on school fees to be transferred to educational services specifically?

HMRC will have that information.

Galaxy

Only those with highly complex needs go to specialist schools in my authority, the others (still with complex needs) are educated within mainstream. For a large section of those children mainstream provision is not working.

It's not working, Galaxy, because the tories systematically cut school budgets to the bone over the past 14 years. My last job was as a support worker in a local secondary school. When I started we had 7 TAs, 2 Learning mentors, regular counsellor visits (weekly) and another 'outside' support worker (I forget what she did). That was in 2000. When I retired in 2013 we'd lost the external support workers, some TAs and the Learning Mentors were on their way out. Thanks to tory budget cuts post 2010.

With the best will in the world a school cannot provide a decent service for special needs children with no staff...

Whitewavemark2

TheatreLover

I had always assumed that VAT paid, from whatever source, is credited to a 'VAT pot'. If this is so, does anyone know if it is possible for the VAT paid on school fees to be transferred to educational services specifically?

HMRC will have that information.

I don't think anything is ever hypothecated.

Amongst our daughters circle of friends there are a number that have shelved the idea of a public/private school as it is now not affordable, the VAT is also on school transport and meals.
Other friends have decided to use state primary schools until age 11.

I think Labour should hold any celebration until they know what the extra burden will cost them in the state sector.

It is more complex than that, I visit a large number of schools in my work, it is partly staffing, but it is also to do with how resources are allocated, a belief amongst some that those children should be in specialist, (and for some their needs would be best met in specialist) complex family issues, and just sheer numbers. We have all completely ignored the changing profile of children within mainstream schools.

Does this refer to just England?

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

TheatreLover

I had always assumed that VAT paid, from whatever source, is credited to a 'VAT pot'. If this is so, does anyone know if it is possible for the VAT paid on school fees to be transferred to educational services specifically?

HMRC will have that information.

I don't think anything is ever hypothecated.

Thank you MaisieD. I was just following up the OP's comment that 'There should be no excuses about the money needing to be used elsewhere".

I think Labour should hold any celebration until they know what the extra burden will cost them in the state sector.

Because of a steadily falling birthrate most schools now have surplus places. I doubt if a few extra children will cause any problems.

I think Labour should hold any celebration until they know what the extra burden will cost them in the state sector.

My thoughts too.

TheatreLover

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

TheatreLover

I had always assumed that VAT paid, from whatever source, is credited to a 'VAT pot'. If this is so, does anyone know if it is possible for the VAT paid on school fees to be transferred to educational services specifically?

HMRC will have that information.

I don't think anything is ever hypothecated.

Thank you MaisieD. I was just following up the OP's comment that 'There should be no excuses about the money needing to be used elsewhere".

It can't be hypothecated because it is spent before the tax is collected

No doubt it is all accounted for, though.